Reminds me of a neighbor who paid his kids to do their chores, attend school, be quiet in church, say thank you etc. etc. Ours knew what discipline was, a bare hinder being the ultimate. Ours (9) are all productive members of society and we see them often, some live within 2 miles of us. The neighbors are one in jail, one they haven't seen in years after they couldn't keep forking over money and the third keeps moving home with her children. I am not saying that we did everything right, maybe we were lucky and I know each child has their own personality. But responsibility must be taught, not brought. Now lambast me for spanking. farmguy