Let me know what you all think

[Hill Creek Farm]

What do you all think of this herd bull that I am thinking about purchasing 1/2 interest and 1/2 possession. Bash him all you want, but at 12 months he had a REA score of 16.56. He is a 6/5 frame bull and Wallace Lee at Triple Ranch said that he is the biggest hindquartered bull and widest bull he had ever raised since 1964, when the place first started out. So, tell me everything. What do you all think, seriously. :cboy:

http://www.lllranch.com/animal_docs/her ... er148p.htm

His name is LLL Cattlemaster 148P ET.

Take care everyone. :cboy:

 

[DOC HARRIS]

Hill Creek -
I have mentioned in one of the posts a few weeks ago that when I visited the National Western Stock Show in Denver this past Januray I was very impressed with the obviously improved Phenotype that the Hereford Breed was exhibiting from what was being produced several years ago. I was very impressed with the general improvement insofar as the Hereford Breed looking like what I think a BEEF BREED of cattle should look like! Thick, deep bodied, good spring of rib carrying smoothly into the sides and down to the floor of the chest (Brisket area) making for a deep heart girth, which in turn allows for adequate volume in the cows, deep, soggy hindquarters extending down toward the gaskins, strong, straight legs capable of moving about big pastures or ranges - all of the desirable traits for a Breeding Animal which I consider absolutely necessary for a successful breeding operation - these characteristics were in evidence at the NWSS. This is what I observe in this bull and from this picture. His strong, level top line is optimal, as is his depth of flank and rounds. It is a small criticism, but I would prefer that he had a little less 'leather' about his throat, and a little more depth of heart girth, but a little more age should take care of that. I would like to see a higher IMF score, but with that knock-out REA EPD, that is a hard trait to improve upon. Fine appearing bull - good pasterns and strong forearm. I am not familiar with the pedigree's of today's Herefords, so I can only go by what I see. The dam of a bull is always of vital importance, and apparently Cattlemaster's mamma is one of the best. You can use real discretion with whom he is mated, and should have some real eye-popping calves.

He is definitely in the upper echelon of acceptable breeders - of WHATEVER breed!

DOC HARRIS

 

[Hill Creek Farm]

Well, thanks DOC for the fine words. Cattlemaster is truly a beef bull designed for the 21st century beef industry. That is my goal to fine bulls that will suit the 21st century cattle industry. I think that his calves will be very thick and carry most of his traits. Also, Cattlemaster is heavy pigmented around the left eye and also a pigemented scrotum. What other opinions are there on this bull? :cboy:

 

[shutskytj]

Hill Creek like the looks of the bull like the program you are buying from but I don't like the sire of the bull with a 5.8 birth weight already with no accuracy I think that number will definately go up with the sire's side Basic's half brother

 

[Alan]

Honestly, from what little I know, I like the looks of the bull, but I think there is plenty of bulls out there with better EPD's. Buying half interest tells me you're spending a few bucks on this bull, for the higher end money I would like to see lower BW and higher, WW and YW. The WW and YW are pretty good but I think you can find better for a half interest bull. The BW is too high for me with any bull, I can live with that in a cow, because I can work the number down with the right bull, but why do a higher BW bull to a number of cows?

JMO,
Alan

 

[Jake]

tell ya what Hill Creek, you must have 400 cows in order to need that much interest in that many bulls.

 

[ENNOT]

WTK Bond 75 A set's it off with me. My dad has raised herefords, polled and horned for several years (30+), and we bred some cattle to a son of 75A, and the calves were crazy.

That was our experience. The bull looks alright, he would be better if he was a little longer. He looks good on a profile picture, but he is a little bit pinched behind the shoulder. He definitely would work for show "type" of cattle, but how well will he work for commercail buyers?

 

[purecountry]

I'll only comment on what I can see, b/c I don't give a fart's care in a whirlwind about EPD's or his pedigree. As for confirmation, I think he's one of the best Smurf's I've ever seen. Doc's right about the leather, but he's a powerful bul nonetheless.

 

[Hill Creek Farm]

tell ya what Hill Creek, you must have 400 cows in order to need that much interest in that many bulls.

Well, I have about 60 head, but I have a big embryo transplant program as well. I do a lot flushing. :cboy:

 

[Hill Creek Farm]

WTK Bond 75 A set's it off with me. My dad has raised herefords, polled and horned for several years (30+), and we bred some cattle to a son of 75A, and the calves were crazy.

That was our experience. The bull looks alright, he would be better if he was a little longer. He looks good on a profile picture, but he is a little bit pinched behind the shoulder. He definitely would work for show "type" of cattle, but how well will he work for commercail buyers?

We used Bond on smallre framed cattle and had no problems some years back. I think there was only on that weighed over 100lbs. I am a big fan of Bond. :cboy:

 

[Hill Creek Farm]

I'll only comment on what I can see, b/c I don't give a fart's care in a whirlwind about EPD's or his pedigree. As for confirmation, I think he's one of the best Smurf's I've ever seen. Doc's right about the leather, but he's a powerful bul nonetheless.

I will agree with you and DOC, but other than that, he is a pretty good looking bull. :cboy:

 

[Chris H]

tell ya what Hill Creek, you must have 400 cows in order to need that much interest in that many bulls.

Well, I have about 60 head, but I have a big embryo transplant program as well. I do a lot flushing. :cboy:

Do you do your own AI work, or are these 60 head all recipients for your flushes?

 

[1848]

tell ya what Hill Creek, you must have 400 cows in order to need that much interest in that many bulls.

I was thinking the same thing! :lol: :shock:

 

[mtnman]

Hill Creek:

Just whose money are you spending, and how lond do you plan on hanging onto it?

I bet these guys love to see you coming.

I also bet you'll get broke in about 6 more years.

Keep spending!!

mtnman

 

[1848]

tell ya what Hill Creek, you must have 400 cows in order to need that much interest in that many bulls.

Hill Creek! Somebody mentioned WideLoad in another post and you are already out chasing him! Good Grief! :roll:

 

[Hill Creek Farm]

tell ya what Hill Creek, you must have 400 cows in order to need that much interest in that many bulls.

Well, I have about 60 head, but I have a big embryo transplant program as well. I do a lot flushing. :cboy:

Do you do your own AI work, or are these 60 head all recipients for your flushes?

Actually, I have my herd bull Red Oak and I loan another bull named RRF Trailblazer 502, a top Online 122L son. :cboy:

 

[Hill Creek Farm]

Hill Creek:

Just whose money are you spending, and how lond do you plan on hanging onto it?

I bet these guys love to see you coming.

I also bet you'll get broke in about 6 more years.

Keep spending!!

mtnman

Mtnman, I am spending my own money. Also, I am having my first production sale, April 2nd, 2007. It is going to be called The Hill Creek "Egg Hunt Sale I." I am selling over 100 embryos. I am glad you have high hopes for me. Take care and I wish you the best of luck as well in all you do. :cboy:

 

[Hill Creek Farm]

tell ya what Hill Creek, you must have 400 cows in order to need that much interest in that many bulls.

Hill Creek! Somebody mentioned WideLoad in another post and you are already out chasing him! Good Grief! :roll:

1848, Actually I wasn't saying I was going to buy him, but I am using one of his top sons, LaGrand Reload 80P ET. I was thinking at one time about using Wideload, but since Reload is as good or even better than Wideload, I am going to stick with Reload, just in embryo work. :cboy:

 

[1848]

... It is going to be called The Hill Creek "Egg Hunt Sale I." I am selling over 100 embryos. I am glad you have high hopes for me. Take care and I wish you the best of luck as well in all you do. :cboy:

Kill 'em with Kindess Hill Creek. Your money will get you everywhere....... for a while.

P.S. Deshazer already has the "Egg Hunt" slogan captured!

 

[1848]

.... I was thinking at one time about using Wideload, but since Reload is as good or even better than Wideload, I am going to stick with Reload, just in embryo work. :cboy:

I think you are just plain fickle Hill Creek. Slow down a little, and you won't overdrive your headlights!

Reload wasn't even who he was supposed to be when he was DNA tested...did you have your eyes one him before or after you found out who he wasn't? ;-)

I think your advisor is filling you with so much information you have a hard time sorting it out..so you just "buy it all"! :shock:

Out of curiosity....who is managing your cow selections?