KCF Bennett 3008 M326

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I realize that when I first started talking about this bull most everyones general response was that he didn't have any daughters in production and udder quality was unknown. Well check this out and see what you think

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I had a chance to walk through the two year olds 4 weeks ago and they were very nice, had great udders and looked very milky.

These are not my cattle, though I wish they were. You will have to contact Kevin for semen. I have been telling him about this site, so let him know that this is where you saw him.
 
Just out of curiosity... which of the two heifers on the slide show do you prefer?

You can go further and ask which one would be more likely to win in the showring and which would be more likely to get the nod from Caustic. I hope he joins in and give his opinion on them as well.

Have you seen SHF Rib Eye in person by any chance? I like his backfat EPD, but will reserve my opinion on him until I see a more mature photo of him.
 
Since Kevin really doesn't show, the show ring makes little difference. Both of these females are big beef type cattle that more should have. With that said I like the udder of the one on the left and the depth of the right. Overall I would most likely take the one on the left

Caustic probably won't like either of these females

I haven't seen ribeye in person past yearling age. ABS has semen on him, and I will be breeding at least 5 cows and heifers to him for next years calving.
 
Who sells the semen of KCF Bennet 3008 M326?

I know that ABS has recently bought Rib Eye. What do you think of the spread of his EPDs?
 
Call Kevin or I can put him in touch with you, his website is http://www.sandhillfarms.com

I think he has a great spread. low BW high WW and YW, good milk, high REA and IMF. We have a 7/8 brother to Rib eye on the ground and he is growing extremely well.
 
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yes, isn't beef production what we are into. I don't want frame 4 cows, ideally I like frame 5-5.7 and 1300-1400lb cows. These cows are really thick, deep, nice cows. That is all that can be said I believe.
 
I bred 10 fall calvers to 3008, vet preg checked last week only 5 were bred. I used a different AI tech and was disappointed. Still looking forward to 5 3008 progeny this fall.
 
KNERSIE":2t9pq25k said:
Just out of curiosity... which of the two heifers on the slide show do you prefer?

You can go further and ask which one would be more likely to win in the showring and which would be more likely to get the nod from Caustic. I hope he joins in and give his opinion on them as well.

Have you seen SHF Rib Eye in person by any chance? I like his backfat EPD, but will reserve my opinion on him until I see a more mature photo of him.
Heifer choice Upper Left Hand Corner. More desirable udder and teat length and placement, deeper hindquarters.

DOC HARRIS
 
Badlands":1nnzmikt said:
Do we really need more "big" beef type cattle?


Badlands
Badlands-

IF you are seeking "TERMINAL" producers - YES!

IF you are seeking Maternal producers, 1250# 5.5 - 6.0 frame score females which are loaded with Calving Ease and Functional Trait EPD's!

DOC HARRIS
 
oakcreekfarms":hraegc2h said:
yes, isn't beef production what we are into. I don't want frame 4 cows, ideally I like frame 5-5.7 and 1300-1400lb cows. These cows are really thick, deep, nice cows. That is all that can be said I believe.

I looked up the frame score of the cow on the right side of the pic and she is just over a frame 6.
 
I must be doing something wrong. My cows are now mostly 5 frame, I mean 5 frame, not 5.5 frame, and I can't get them to drop below 1300.

To hit 1300, I have to be at 4.5 frame.

Badlands
 
Badlands I would call those big beef type cattle. Frame 5 1300lbs, I would take good frame 5.5's at 1400lbs as well. Personally I like bigger cattle. Right now my cattle might be a little small for what I prefer, but most all of them weaned at least 50% of their weight, one of the two year olds was a little low.
 
I do not care what any of ya'll say, them are some pretty cows....Cross them with a Black Angus and that is money in the bank...Although is seems a waste not to breed them prett red girls to a Hereford bull....
 
alftn":5dvl3iow said:
I do not care what any of ya'll say, them are some pretty cows....Cross them with a Black Angus and that is money in the bank...Although is seems a waste not to breed them prett red girls to a Hereford bull....
alftn -

Just out of curiosity - What are your "breeding goals" in the Beef Business? What traits, other than "pretty red girls", do you consider when making breeding selections and what traits do you seek when buying Black Angus Bulls?

DOC HARRIS
 
Badlands,

We must be making the same mistakes, I have frame 3.5 cows that is 1300 lbs native grazing only. Off course they are the exception, but in the registered herd the tallest framed cow is a frame 6 and the smallest a frame 3.5 and not a single one weighs less than 1200lbs in their working clothes, the average being about 1300 and the heaviest 1450 lbs. This is either on pasture or veld, no grain whatsoever.

That was my point in asking which of the two heifers oakcreek prefers. I should have been more specific saying that udder quality should be disregarded. Under my conditions where cattle are expected to thrive on low quality grazing and for long periods of time have to browse leaves for their nutrition, the heifer on the right is more likely to work for me. I need that extra barrel capacity and heartgirth and also a good layer of backfat for cows to work for me.

Other than that I agree the one on the left has a better udder, a better haircoat and probably a better neck attachment, I am questioning the strength of her loin, though. She would definately do better in the showring than the one on the right, at least over here.

I hope to have made my point that we as breeders have to breed what works for us and for our neighbours or other bull customers. The showring or the trend of the time seldom takes the commercial producer that runs his cattle on native grass into account. Herefords were once the king of the range, the drive for smaller cattle for the showring made them unable to compete as a beef breed with the more moderate cattle of the time and they lost that position.

We should ask ourselves if the herefords' ability to lay on fat in good times to use as an energy reserve in lean times wasn't the trait that made them the no 1 choice for the range in the first place. Now the drive is for carcass traits with almost no backfat, the result is harder keeping cattle. Shouldn't we leave this terminal types for the continental breeds and get back to what made them so popular in the first place?
 
I would say right now hereford breeders are wanting frame 5-6 cattle. Above frame 6 is getting a little big for me. By the way those heifers were raised on grass, wintered on rye then stalks, and then put on a ration of corn silage (no hay or grass) until after calving, then they were put out on a winter pasture. Kevin has done a great job of keeping prices down for a reg. herd. Everything he does is cost effective.

I looked that first calf heifer up and I wouldn't be scared of a 6.1 frame. A little big, but not outrageous. I wouldn't cry if she was on place
 
I may be mistaken, but I don't think anyone questions Kevin Schultz cattle or program, I was merely pointing out how different environments requires a different approach and what you might get away with in better conditions simply won't work in harsher conditions.

If you are interested in discussing cattle, I'm up for it, I am not interested in arguing whats best for whom.
 
I wasn't arguing, only stating that those cattle hadn't received any special attention. That was my point on the cattle, they are tremendously well made for not being pampered.

Do you breed your frame 3.5-4.5 cattle to frame 6 terminal bulls.
 

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