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From the Stocker email Magazine

Stocker Economics
Diluting Stocker Risk With Cull Cows
It might not be the easiest money, but adding weight to cull cows may be the surest money stocker and backgrounders can make.

According to Cattle-Fax analyst Mike Murphy, members of that organization have averaged $64/head profit in 23 of the last 23 years by purchasing cull cows in November, putting 1.5 lbs. average daily gain on them for 95 days, then marketing them in February.

Besides the profit predictability, Murphy says the enterprise bears consideration by stockers because the timing still allows time to purchase cattle for spring and summer grass programs.

Moreover, it illustrates the type of diversity stocker operators and backgrounders may need to consider as operating costs and price volatility increase.

"We've just come though the best three years of stocker profitability in our history," Murphy said at last month's Mid-South Stocker Conference in Tennessee, hosted jointly by the University of Tennessee and the University of Kentucky. As cyclical beef herd expansion takes place though, profits will be tougher to come by. In fact, Murphy says typically within the first two years of a cyclical transition -- the part of the cycle the industry is currently in --there comes one of those gut-wrenching, backbreaking kinds of price wrecks that are tough to endure.

The risk this time could be higher because prices are at historic highs, as are the price spreads between feeders and feds, and feeder cattle and calves. That's before considering the growing range of prices paid for same-weight, same-class cattle.

At this stage of the game, Murphy believes stocker management strategies should include: focusing on equity protection, managing inventories through average buying, looking for opportunities to manage risk through the futures market, and evaluating potential for retaining ownership beyond the stocker enterprise.

Some of the long-term trends he cites for the stocker industry:
Continued, significant structural change within all segments of the beef industry.

Continued shift to fewer, larger, better-capitalized operations.

Continued market volatility.

Continued evolution toward more fed cattle being marketed on a beef value basis rather than in the cash market.

Increased product branding, product differentiation and price variation.

Most consumer beef sales will take place through food service rather than food retail within five years.

Animal ID and source verification will be required to compete in the global, post-BSE marketplace.
 
Why don't you just buy your cattle for pasture in the fall. You should be able to put $64 worth on them during the winter. Plus the stockers would be bigger in the spring and gain more off pasture. What ever plan is better for your opperation.
 
Caustic Burno":2spu1kas said:
You go to buying cull cows you had better know what your doing, lot of difference in short and solid and brokenmouth.

You just said a mouthful. Some culls are just culls............but some culls are REALLY culls.
 
This article says diluting the risk of stockers with cull cows. That is crazy considering cull means old or sick, and are by far the riskiest cattle at the auction. Buying culls can only add risk.
 
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I have made some money on them myself, but they are the riskiest type of cattle, health wise.
 
Not if a person knows what they are looking for. Cull simply means that animal does not do the job she was hired for on a particular operation. Does not automatically mean she is old, sick, used up, or broke down.
 
auctionboy":3qag45x0 said:
......they are the riskiest type of cattle, health wise.
You've obviously never bought any light calves weaned on the way to the salebarn. Give me a cull cow anyday. Health wise.
 
At the auction I go to old broken down animals will be sold "cull". Animals that have been culled, but might go back in to a herd are sold at a different time, and by the head. Most animals I buy have been culled from a herd for production or age... but I don't consider them cull.
 
I take it back 2 day old never been fed #40 holsteins are the toughtest to keep alive.
 
Plus the stockers would be bigger in the spring and gain more off pasture

I thought lite stockers averaged more lbs per day? You can put 3 #400 lb calves where only 2 #600 lb calves are. Be dang careful with that pencil. I have done real well buying cull cows. I bought a bunch from a polled hereford breeder. Great cattle. Made good money on them. Be careful of the source. I also have done well with cattle that hobby people had and got sick of.
 
Bigger cattle with more compasity gain more of pasture. Big thin cattle that is. You may get more gain per acre from smaller cattle.
 
I think that some of the dissenters failed to realize that you are trying to upgrade the old cow so that she has more value as a slaughter cow. Cull cows are traditionally cheaper in the fall and are the highest at the end of February.

I used to buy thin no mouth, broke mouth or short solid mouth pairs in the fall and run them on rye/ryegrass pastures. You need to get them sold by tax day (April 15). Market breaks on cows and calves. Cow prices drop as packers anticipate the shut down of school lunch program for the year. Calves drop as wheat cattle start moving to feedyards.
 
BC":1p0c0xpw said:
I think that some of the dissenters failed to realize that you are trying to upgrade the old cow so that she has more value as a slaughter cow. Cull cows are traditionally cheaper in the fall and are the highest at the end of February.

I used to buy thin no mouth, broke mouth or short solid mouth pairs in the fall and run them on rye/ryegrass pastures. You need to get them sold by tax day (April 15). Market breaks on cows and calves. Cow prices drop as packers anticipate the shut down of school lunch program for the year. Calves drop as wheat cattle start moving to feedyards.
Did you do okay as far as making a profit?
 
DANG IT Cracker!!! You done let the cat outt'a the bag.

One mans trash is another mans treasure. Gotta love them old granny cows. Good home & a little TLC makes a new girl out of them. Call it Extreme Makover-Bovine Edition.

Example-Last fall I bought, among others, an old thin broken mouth longhornX short-bred cow for $215. Last night she had a beautiful solid black heifer. Will sell in mid to late summer. Cow will go to the packer and light calf to a calf roper or stocker operator.

Good luck & happy trails

Brock
 
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Did you do okay as far as making a profit?[/quote]

First year I did really well. I had bought a SS gray Brahman cow at Jacksonville in December. She had a little tiger striped heifer that brought $1.00 a lb (1992) when other feeder heifers were worth $0.85. The cow gained over 300 lbs. Sold in May.

Over the years I found out that you need to get the cows sold earlier. Packers start backing off cows in anticipation of no school lunch program during summer. It worked most years very well, safer than stocker calves as I had two things to sell. I did have one bad year as I lost two of the cows, but saved the calves.
 

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