Immigration Raids Send Shockwaves

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Immigration Raids Send Shockwaves
The raid by the Department of Homeland Security's Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) personnel on six Swift & Company plants last week dominated the news. Four of the plants -- Greeley, CO; Grand Island, NE; Cactus, TX and Hyrum, UT -- are beef plants. The other two -- Marshalltown, IA and Worthington, MN -- are pork plants. ICE did not raid Swift's pork plant at Louisville, KY.

Swift's management is crying foul over the raids, claiming they violate agreements associated with its participation in the federal government's Basic Pilot worker authorization program. These aren't the first of these raids, nor likely will they be the last.

The packing industry runs on immigrant labor -- nothing new about that. Upton Sinclair's 1906 book, "The Jungle," followed the trials of Lithuanian immigrant Jurgis Rudkus as he tried to embark on the American dream working in Chicago's packing plants. Rudkus was an example of virtually the entire industry at the time, and Sinclair, an avowed socialist, used his plight to argue the benefits of socialism.

It's been said Sinclair "aimed at Americans' hearts" with his story, but ended up "hitting Americans' stomachs" with his tales of woeful sanitary conditions in the stockyards districts' meat plants. The book played a major role in the creation of federal meat inspection services.

The sector's dependence on immigrant labor declined in the post-war years as the major packing companies fell under a Master Labor Contract that increased wages and benefits. The development of the commercial broiler industry and its low-cost products, and the entry of IBP into beef -- followed by pork processing -- put major economic pressure on the old-line packers with higher wage costs.

When those packers either went out of business or escaped the Master Contract, wages once again fell, and packinghouse jobs became unattractive to much of the U.S. work force.

Enter, once again, immigrants -- this time from Mexico, Central and South America and Southeast Asia.

Last week, a reporter posed this question: "Why is this an 'immigrant labor' industry?"

The answer is two-fold. First, packing-plant work is difficult and often unpleasant. Killing and disassembling animals isn't a very pretty enterprise and many Americans simply won't do those jobs unless in dire straits.

While our economy hasn't treated everyone extremely well, it's still been good enough to provide job alternatives that don't involve cold temperatures, knives and blood. It's safe to say packing-plant jobs are probably not on the current career plans of most U.S. high school students.

Second, while these are difficult, unpleasant and low-paying jobs, relative to most U.S. jobs, they're no more difficult and no more unpleasant -- and higher paying -- relative to conditions in many immigrants' home countries. I don't offer that as a reason to exploit these workers -- they should be paid the value of what they produce. I only offer it as a statement of fact that leads many immigrants to enter the packing-plant workforce. Some take great risks to do so.

The lesson of last week was both broad and specific. The broad lesson is we as a country have to make up our collective minds about how we will deal with illegal immigrants. It's a tough question, but let's hope some politicians have some courage on this subject soon.

The more specific lesson is that livestock producers and packers need to consider what they'll do if a) this crackdown on illegal workers continues, or b) a workable guest-worker program can be devised.

Both will impact labor availability and cost and those factors should be considered when planning for 2007 and beyond.
-- Steve R. Meyer, North American Preview
 
So you are saying these plants that lost workers will now close for lack of workers? Seems the industry had plenty of home grown workers till Hormel with industry backing launched ther massive campaign to break the unions :shock: Read up on what went on and then we will talk about people not wanting to get there hands bloody!
 
Before it was fashionable for EVERY ONE TO HAVE A COLLEGE EDUCATION, Hormell, and IBP work in a slaughter house/packing plant was an honorable occupation that paid well and required skilled employees. What has really transpired in this business can not speak with any authority but do know there are Americans who will do the job if they pay living wages and support humane environments. I have read that in Grand Island there was no problem getting employess to replace those ILLEGAL IDENTITY STEALERS. Make the jobs attractive (pay/conditions) and they will come. I'll pay the 30-50 cents/lb it we can implement the "Hire Americans" plan like our government had the "Buy American" plan in the 70's.
 
If these Packers are anything like the one we used to have here- they don't want legal status for their workers....They'd prefer to keep the illegals, so they can't organize, can't complain about working conditions, wages , health standards, workmans comp claims, etc. since they don't dare to go to any of the authorities...If they start asking questions/causing problems/rocking the boat they just kick them out and bring in a new truckload....

But they don't want the authorities enforcing the immigration laws either- nor do they want to pay a livable wage comparable to the tasks performed...

I have no sympathy for someone that has to build their business around illegal activity-- But the Big Corporate Packers are so deep into illegal activity in every which way, they think nothing of something as little as Immigration violations.....
 
Oldtimer":7ckhxj2p said:
If these Packers are anything like the one we used to have here- they don't want legal status for their workers....They'd prefer to keep the illegals, so they can't organize, can't complain about working conditions, wages , health standards, workmans comp claims, etc. since they don't dare to go to any of the authorities...If they start asking questions/causing problems/rocking the boat they just kick them out and bring in a new truckload....

But they don't want the authorities enforcing the immigration laws either- nor do they want to pay a livable wage comparable to the tasks performed...

I have no sympathy for someone that has to build their business around illegal activity-- But the Big Corporate Packers are so deep into illegal activity in every which way, they think nothing of something as little as Immigration violations.....

I was wondering if you know how much those workers were getting paid.
 
novatech":363u84xo said:
Oldtimer":363u84xo said:
If these Packers are anything like the one we used to have here- they don't want legal status for their workers....They'd prefer to keep the illegals, so they can't organize, can't complain about working conditions, wages , health standards, workmans comp claims, etc. since they don't dare to go to any of the authorities...If they start asking questions/causing problems/rocking the boat they just kick them out and bring in a new truckload....

But they don't want the authorities enforcing the immigration laws either- nor do they want to pay a livable wage comparable to the tasks performed...

I have no sympathy for someone that has to build their business around illegal activity-- But the Big Corporate Packers are so deep into illegal activity in every which way, they think nothing of something as little as Immigration violations.....

I was wondering if you know how much those workers were getting paid.

Yep- I know how much they were paying...
And I know how much our Packer cut our local workers salaries after they got access to the illegals and didn't need the locals anymore....

They also ended up furnishing the illegals with uninsulated, no running water housing that was built in the 1930's (that they took rent out of their salary) with 20+ living in a shack in an almost 19th century coal miners type company town- so they could keep them and not have to pay the wage to hire local legal employees...And when immigration would raid and catch a bunch- they'd have another reefer load headed up from the border within hours....

The argument used by management for it was that that was what the Big 4 were doing to cut overhead, so they had to do the same to compete.... :roll:

If you can't pay high enough wages to get someone legally to do the job- and can't operate legally- you should shut down....Its no excuse to make a mockery of our legal system....
The whole Packer Industry needs some government oversight-some enforcement of the Sherman anti-trust Law and the Packers and Stockyards Act along with these immigration laws... A good house cleaning...And like Angus/Brangus says it will cause some short term pain- but its better now than just let them get crookeder.....

I was glad to see our State Legislature is proposing a law to make it a state crime to hire an illegal alien - so they can enforce it since our Corporate bought out federal government doesn't seem to be able to....
 
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Oldtimer":195jhitn said:
novatech":195jhitn said:
Oldtimer":195jhitn said:
If these Packers are anything like the one we used to have here- they don't want legal status for their workers....They'd prefer to keep the illegals, so they can't organize, can't complain about working conditions, wages , health standards, workmans comp claims, etc. since they don't dare to go to any of the authorities...If they start asking questions/causing problems/rocking the boat they just kick them out and bring in a new truckload....

But they don't want the authorities enforcing the immigration laws either- nor do they want to pay a livable wage comparable to the tasks performed...

I have no sympathy for someone that has to build their business around illegal activity-- But the Big Corporate Packers are so deep into illegal activity in every which way, they think nothing of something as little as Immigration violations.....

I was wondering if you know how much those workers were getting paid.

Yep- I know how much they were paying...
And I know how much our Packer cut our local workers salaries after they got access to the illegals and didn't need the locals anymore....

They also ended up furnishing the illegals with uninsulated, no running water housing that was built in the 1930's (that they took rent out of their salary) with 20+ living in a shack in an almost 19th century coal miners type company town- so they could keep them and not have to pay the wage to hire local legal employees...And when immigration would raid and catch a bunch- they'd have another reefer load headed up from the border within hours....

The argument used by management for it was that that was what the Big 4 were doing to cut overhead, so they had to do the same to compete.... :roll:

If you can't pay high enough wages to get someone legally to do the job- and can't operate legally- you should shut down....Its no excuse to make a mockery of our legal system....
The whole Packer Industry needs some government oversight-some enforcement of the Sherman anti-trust Law and the Packers and Stockyards Act along with these immigration laws... A good house cleaning...And like Angus/Brangus says it will cause some short term pain- but its better now than just let them get crookeder.....

I was glad to see our State Legislature is proposing a law to make it a state crime to hire an illegal alien - so they can enforce it since our Corporate bought out federal government doesn't seem to be able to....

You guy,s must be politicans. I asked a simple question. and all I got was BS Ididn,t ask about. Simple question. Can You answer or not ? Will you or will you not? It,s Not that difficult. You don,t have to be defensive. I,m just asking a simple question. Thank you
 
Nova, They get $10 an hour in these parts.

The real issue here is security. If we cannot keep illegals from coming in, illegal terrorists can come in too. They can pose as migratory workers.

Personally I don't truly give a rats tutu if a hard worker is willing to take a job no one else wants, for trivial compensation. The security issue is real and it is indeed bothersome. These folks could introduce who knows what into our food chain, in those positions.
 
novatech":1ef8lu2j said:
Oldtimer":1ef8lu2j said:
novatech":1ef8lu2j said:
Oldtimer":1ef8lu2j said:
If these Packers are anything like the one we used to have here- they don't want legal status for their workers....They'd prefer to keep the illegals, so they can't organize, can't complain about working conditions, wages , health standards, workmans comp claims, etc. since they don't dare to go to any of the authorities...If they start asking questions/causing problems/rocking the boat they just kick them out and bring in a new truckload....

But they don't want the authorities enforcing the immigration laws either- nor do they want to pay a livable wage comparable to the tasks performed...

I have no sympathy for someone that has to build their business around illegal activity-- But the Big Corporate Packers are so deep into illegal activity in every which way, they think nothing of something as little as Immigration violations.....

I was wondering if you know how much those workers were getting paid.

Yep- I know how much they were paying...
And I know how much our Packer cut our local workers salaries after they got access to the illegals and didn't need the locals anymore....

They also ended up furnishing the illegals with uninsulated, no running water housing that was built in the 1930's (that they took rent out of their salary) with 20+ living in a shack in an almost 19th century coal miners type company town- so they could keep them and not have to pay the wage to hire local legal employees...And when immigration would raid and catch a bunch- they'd have another reefer load headed up from the border within hours....

The argument used by management for it was that that was what the Big 4 were doing to cut overhead, so they had to do the same to compete.... :roll:

If you can't pay high enough wages to get someone legally to do the job- and can't operate legally- you should shut down....Its no excuse to make a mockery of our legal system....
The whole Packer Industry needs some government oversight-some enforcement of the Sherman anti-trust Law and the Packers and Stockyards Act along with these immigration laws... A good house cleaning...And like Angus/Brangus says it will cause some short term pain- but its better now than just let them get crookeder.....

I was glad to see our State Legislature is proposing a law to make it a state crime to hire an illegal alien - so they can enforce it since our Corporate bought out federal government doesn't seem to be able to....

You guy,s must be politicans. I asked a simple question. and all I got was BS Ididn,t ask about. Simple question. Can You answer or not ? Will you or will you not? It,s Not that difficult. You don,t have to be defensive. I,m just asking a simple question. Thank you

novatech--Questions usually end with question marks ;-) :P :lol:

Starting wages in the slaughter houses has been told to me at around $9...And that most earn $10-12 with some experience...
 
There you go again. Thanks for the response.
Now just because someone asks a question does not give you the right to conclude anything about them.
I can promise you I know more about illegals than you. They put me out of bussiness in the 70's.

I agree no illigals. So now , what do you want to jump down my throat about.
 
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backhoeboogie":376nl31z said:
Nova, They get $10 an hour in these parts.

The real issue here is security. If we cannot keep illegals from coming in, illegal terrorists can come in too. They can pose as migratory workers.

Personally I don't truly give a rats tutu if a hard worker is willing to take a job no one else wants, for trivial compensation. The security issue is real and it is indeed bothersome. These folks could introduce who knows what into our food chain, in those positions.

Took a while to get back on this. I have been asking around. The typical wage for the labor in my area is 10 to 14 per hr. and it doesn,t seem to matter who they are. It,s dependent on weather you can find anyone to do the job.

I,m with you backhoe, I to want everyone documented. But I have found that they really arn,t takeing jobs away.
These people are makeing a lot more than a lot of other people I know.
The real issue is security.
 
I read yesterday where in a crackdown- Immigration authorities found and arrested many illegal immigrants working for private contractors on US military bases...They include one fellow that was a member of one of Mexico's most dangerous gangs/terrorist groups....

Now thats too far--They've just let this thing get out of hand- the D.C. folks need to make some major moves and fast.....
 

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