Kingfisher
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They still sell land in Fl? I'd start looking....life's to short to try to fix crazy people.
Absolutely agree! If it was a steer they had to handle the calf to castrate it. Have no idea why they didn't tag but some people don't. Look again at the pic: Looks like mama cow in the background. 200 lb calf isn't a newborn & should be able to run/put up a fight and since mama's right there she wouldn't just stand there & let it happen unless an entire pack descended on them. Clearly without a necropsy you'll never know what killed this calf but I'm betting it was something else (aforementioned improper banding/cutting, tetanus) and the 'yotes took advantage of a free meal.True Grit Farms":nkp6o9i5 said:Being a steer calf is a big plus, improper banding or cutting can kill a calf, and not giving the calf a tetanus shot can kill a calf, and not giving the calf a tetanus booster can kill a calf. Your not responsible for their cows or calves.
No one knows what killed the calf, that's all speculation.CabinetMaker":w6vv5sua said:I do have a lawyer. Our suit is bigger than just the cannon nonsense. I have been told, (by lawyers today,) since the dead calf, (and the rest of it,) is a civil case, the defendants word is considered all the evidence needed. It's not a criminal case...yet.
It seems since they are more people than just me, when they all testify that the calf was killed by a coyote, then that's what killed it.
Yes, it's costing us more to pursue this dead calf in court, but it leads to the rest of our harassment case.
We are not in small claims court, we are going for a jury trial. (For eight counts of harassment, the cannon being one small part.)
They claim now that, 'We started it.' Whatever, 'It,' is. I'm an adult, not an eight year old, so we go to court.
I asked my attorney about pursuing a fraud case. He said I cannot do that until after the trial.
CabinetMaker":1e8mrez7 said:I do have a lawyer. Our suit is bigger than just the cannon nonsense. I have been told, (by lawyers today,) since the dead calf, (and the rest of it,) is a civil case, the defendants word is considered all the evidence needed. It's not a criminal case...yet.
It seems since they are more people than just me, when they all testify that the calf was killed by a coyote, then that's what killed it.
Yes, it's costing us more to pursue this dead calf in court, but it leads to the rest of our harassment case.
We are not in small claims court, we are going for a jury trial. (For eight counts of harassment, the cannon being one small part.)
They claim now that, 'We started it.' Whatever, 'It,' is. I'm an adult, not an eight year old, so we go to court.
I asked my attorney about pursuing a fraud case. He said I cannot do that until after the trial.
Who is their veterinarian?CabinetMaker":r7imzxne said:What questions would you ask about this calf, if you were in my shoes?
Can an attorney subpoena business tax records... i don't know, but may help establish calf value and scare 'em.
I'd go hard after their tax records and business expense records used to file their taxes.CabinetMaker":25000r81 said:Thank you for that.
I did ask my attorney to have them produce their records once before and they claimed they don't keep any records, of any kind. Don't you guys keep records of births, deaths, ages, etc, on top of all purchases and sales? I did tell him he needs to subpoena these records. I have a feeling I'm going to get the same answer. (They also have refused to give us a lot of other things we asked for. We produced everything their attorney asked.)
BRYANT":3mu93t0x said:I would take ''son of Butch'' to court with me.
how many head of cattle do these people run? if its very many they have records or there is probably tax fraud. STOP asking for records and start subpoenaing. and if your Attorney is scared and beat before he gets to court then its time to get one that's not, may need one that's not local.
Get this picture use cannon guns to run coyotes off and pile up dead cattle to bring them in.fire your Attorney and get one that not afraid to fight, sounds like he may be on bed with them[/u]
This year anyway, I have personally witnessed a lot of calves dying over there. They have a mass grave. Strangely enough, you can see a dead calf being left in the grave on the county interactive map.
hahahaha.. try that with a corrupt county, where everyone is behind ol' judge and his crew.BRYANT":1g33i65s said:Get this picture use cannon guns to run coyotes off and pile up dead cattle to bring them in.fire your Attorney and get one that not afraid to fight, sounds like he may be on bed with them[/u]
This year anyway, I have personally witnessed a lot of calves dying over there. They have a mass grave. Strangely enough, you can see a dead calf being left in the grave on the county interactive map.
I don't know but I bet me and my Attorney could have a hay day with these people. There even laws on how you have to depose of dead livestock. It's time to bring the fight to them.
If everyone is in with them then it time to get the news media involved.
ddd75":ppomq8nt said:hahahaha.. try that with a corrupt county, where everyone is behind ol' judge and his crew.BRYANT":ppomq8nt said:Get this picture use cannon guns to run coyotes off and pile up dead cattle to bring them in.fire your Attorney and get one that not afraid to fight, sounds like he may be on bed with them[/u]
This year anyway, I have personally witnessed a lot of calves dying over there. They have a mass grave. Strangely enough, you can see a dead calf being left in the grave on the county interactive map.
I don't know but I bet me and my Attorney could have a hay day with these people. There even laws on how you have to depose of dead livestock. It's time to bring the fight to them.
If everyone is in with them then it time to get the news media involved.
good luck in lala land :lol2: