Hypocrisy

[Cross-7]

My understanding is finding help is a real problem.
We are having a hard time as well as others we do business with such as Mfg, distribution and so on.
According to our OM he said they send potentially employees for drug testing and most can't pass a drug test.
Used to be multiple applicants to interview and choose from. Now it's who can pass a drug test and capable of filling out an application correctly.,
Overtime used to be looked at by employees as a bonus at time and a half.
Now employees refuse to work overtime.
Warehouse work is physically demanding and it's hard to hire someone thatvwilling and physically fit to do it.
It's such a problem the owners have toured other warehouses with more automation and are looking at a very large investment to alleviate the dependency

 

[NECowboy]

Cross that definitely does factor some into it but there are businesses who if they could go all automation would do it to pocket the savings or in the case of major corporations for that profit to go to shareholders. And with the 15 dollar minimum wage push everywhere businesses like McDonald's are going to look to automate as fast as humanly possible.

 

[TexasBred]

Yep, Margo, and we are just sitting around waiting for China or whoever to throw the "payment due" notice on us.....

They are not callable. They have a maturity (due) date and pay interest only until maturity.

 

[TexasBred]

Probably the same thing the former makers of buggy whips and typewriters did. Adapt and move on.

Yeah, but if you only need 5 workers to run a plant and you have 250 people that can do the job, what are you going to do? Not everyone is mentally capable of moving on to a different job. At my place of work, there are a lot of low level workers who this is their 'reach' job that they struggled to get through school to achieve. You lose that and what are they going to do? We are automating ourselves out of jobs at an alarming rate, I'm afraid, and at some point we're going to pay the piper.

No such thing as being only able to do one job in life. Sure they can learn another trade. Probably didn't take them but one day to learn the one they do at your work place.

 

[Nesikep]

I think it was said before here already.. Trade is only part of the reason we're losing jobs.. Automation is the other VERY significant factor.. from lumber grading to supermarket checkouts, ATM's, Assembly and machining, inventory control and a host of other things..

If it weren't for automation, some of the things we have would be impossible (cell phones, etc), but in other areas it's detrimental to the economy as a whole.. If everyone worked even lower paying jobs, it would keep inflation in check and reduce the load on our social system.
I think it's shameful that companies will spend millions on automation to get rid of a few jobs

Automation increases productivity and profitability. That is desirable.

I think thats a short sighted view.. During the 20's and 50's when there was a lot of industrialization, but little automation, the economy boomed.. everyone worked.
Now that no one works (including laziness), no one can rub 2 spare nickles together anymore.. Those kind of people don't do much for the economy.. Where's the money? Well, it's sitting in some bank account somewhere, also doing nothing for the economy.. Just like in the '30's the banks have TONS of money.. they just don't invest it anywhere

The USA suffers from importing goods rather than making them here. Intellectual services are being outsourced. The West Coast was the intellectual capital of the technology industry with giants like Intel, Microsoft, Cisco, etc. Now those services are being performed in countries like India, China, even Pakistan.

A Nation cannot create wealth if it cuts it's forest but sends the logs overseas to be converted to a product of higher value then buys back the products at a higher cost at the same time it lost the jobs of conversion.

Hehehe, yep, and we're totally guilty of exporting raw logs and buying the crap back from Ikea

 

[greybeard]

When Chinese people visit the USA, do they shop at Walmart?

China BTW, just bought Dick Clark.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/bus ... /93279540/

 

[HDRider]

The US might be the first nation conquered by a purchase and not an army.

 

[callmefence]

No doubt were screwed by the pitiful trade agreements we've been put into by out spineless ,crooked leadership.

But the buy American quality thing seems to be somewhat cyclical. I can remember my dad and grandfather insisted on buying American.
Then about the late 90 s . American quality began to get bad grades. And people began turning towards Japanese cars,machines and electronics.
Its typical in business and manufacturing to build a reputation based on quality and service.
When a strong customer base is achieved they cut quality and make large profits off the brand.until it catches up.
I say we must just focus on being the best at quality, service and dependability. And eventually the cream rises to the top.
That should be the American business model.
Trade agreements can only be helped by your vote. Right now we need some strong voices in Georgia and north Carolina.

 

[Bestoutwest]

But the buy American quality thing seems to be somewhat cyclical. I can remember my dad and grandfather insisted on buying American.
Then about the late 90 s . American quality began to get bad grades. And people began turning towards Japanese cars,machines and electronics.

I've tried buying made in America clothing and it all sucks. It's uncomfortable, bulky, bad looking, etc. and the price is too much to make it competitive.

 

[RanchMan90]

Yep, wrangler jeans ain't even made in America any more. Their a product of Bangladesh.

 

[greybeard]

and the price is too much to make it competitive.

and there is the reason most of America buys foreign goods over US goods. Personal greed is just as powerful incentive as corporate greed, tho it is always much easier to just blame it on poor trade policy.

 

[Nesikep]

No doubt were screwed by the pitiful trade agreements we've been put into by out spineless ,crooked leadership.

But the buy American quality thing seems to be somewhat cyclical. I can remember my dad and grandfather insisted on buying American.
Then about the late 90 s . American quality began to get bad grades. And people began turning towards Japanese cars,machines and electronics.
Its typical in business and manufacturing to build a reputation based on quality and service.
When a strong customer base is achieved they cut quality and make large profits off the brand.until it catches up.
I say we must just focus on being the best at quality, service and dependability. And eventually the cream rises to the top.
That should be the American business model.
Trade agreements can only be helped by your vote. Right now we need some strong voices in Georgia and north Carolina.

I covered why that isn't the case with Henry Ford.. Yes, is SHOULD be the business model, but it's never going to be

and the price is too much to make it competitive.

and there is the reason most of America buys foreign goods over US goods. Personal greed is just as powerful incentive as corporate greed, tho it is always much easier to just blame it on poor trade policy.

If you're going to be paying 3x as much for something, you expect at least double the quality.. Wrangler jeans used to have a special weave that prevented them from fraying.. now it's a standard weave using the same garbage, short strand, low quality cotton all the other jeans are made of.

Like every once-great american product, they have all sold their soul.. Cummins makes most stuff in China, same goes for most tool, car and clothing manufacturer... They're all riding on the coat-tails of the quality they used to have and somehow expect it not to bite them in the arse when the consumer figures out the quality isn't what it used to be, and they were just gouged..

Japanese manufacturers have been much more reluctant to do this, and still have better quality control when they do

 

[NECowboy]

Right now we need some strong voices in Georgia and north Carolina.

We need 100% turnout in the rural areas and no more divisiveness in the Republican party. Ok Paul Ryan you can publicly not support Trump but then what, vote for Hillary? You wouldn't see a Democrat denouncing Hillary like some of the rhinos (Republicans in Name Only) are doing.

The sad part is each election the rural vote gets less and less and the urban vote keeps increasing so it makes it harder and harder each election for the country to "get" our issues. The ag sector and companies supplying it - John Deere, Case IH, Moly Manufacturing, Powder River, Cargill, Purina, all that - most of it is based in America and produced in America. It's rough times right now but I love the ag industry!

 

[hurleyjd]

Right now we need some strong voices in Georgia and north Carolina.

We need 100% turnout in the rural areas and no more divisiveness in the Republican party. Ok Paul Ryan you can publicly not support Trump but then what, vote for Hillary? You wouldn't see a Democrat denouncing Hillary like some of the rhinos (Republicans in Name Only) are doing.

The sad part is each election the rural vote gets less and less and the urban vote keeps increasing so it makes it harder and harder each election for the country to "get" our issues. The ag sector and companies supplying it - John Deere, Case IH, Moly Manufacturing, Powder River, Cargill, Purina, all that - most of it is based in America and produced in America. It's rough times right now but I love the ag industry!

CNH Industrial is one of the world's largest capital goods companies, registered in the Netherlands with corporate offices in London. It is financially controlled by the Italian investment company Exor, which belongs to the Agnelli family. Through its various businesses CNH designs, produces, and sells agricultural equipment and construction equipment (Case and New Holland brand families), trucks, commercial vehicles, buses, and special vehicles (Iveco), in addition to powertrains for industrial and marine applications (FPT Industrial). Present in all major markets worldwide, CNH Industrial is focused on expanding its presence in high-growth markets, including through joint ventures.[3]

 

[NECowboy]

Right now we need some strong voices in Georgia and north Carolina.

We need 100% turnout in the rural areas and no more divisiveness in the Republican party. Ok Paul Ryan you can publicly not support Trump but then what, vote for Hillary? You wouldn't see a Democrat denouncing Hillary like some of the rhinos (Republicans in Name Only) are doing.

The sad part is each election the rural vote gets less and less and the urban vote keeps increasing so it makes it harder and harder each election for the country to "get" our issues. The ag sector and companies supplying it - John Deere, Case IH, Moly Manufacturing, Powder River, Cargill, Purina, all that - most of it is based in America and produced in America. It's rough times right now but I love the ag industry!

CNH Industrial is one of the world's largest capital goods companies, registered in the Netherlands with corporate offices in London. It is financially controlled by the Italian investment company Exor, which belongs to the Agnelli family. Through its various businesses CNH designs, produces, and sells agricultural equipment and construction equipment (Case and New Holland brand families), trucks, commercial vehicles, buses, and special vehicles (Iveco), in addition to powertrains for industrial and marine applications (FPT Industrial). Present in all major markets worldwide, CNH Industrial is focused on expanding its presence in high-growth markets, including through joint ventures.[3]

Had no idea. Nice Italian/UK/Dutch company . Even more reason to only buy John Deere!!!

 

[Nesikep]

We need 100% turnout in the rural areas and no more divisiveness in the Republican party. Ok Paul Ryan you can publicly not support Trump but then what, vote for Hillary? You wouldn't see a Democrat denouncing Hillary like some of the rhinos (Republicans in Name Only) are doing.

The sad part is each election the rural vote gets less and less and the urban vote keeps increasing so it makes it harder and harder each election for the country to "get" our issues. The ag sector and companies supplying it - John Deere, Case IH, Moly Manufacturing, Powder River, Cargill, Purina, all that - most of it is based in America and produced in America. It's rough times right now but I love the ag industry!

CNH Industrial is one of the world's largest capital goods companies, registered in the Netherlands with corporate offices in London. It is financially controlled by the Italian investment company Exor, which belongs to the Agnelli family. Through its various businesses CNH designs, produces, and sells agricultural equipment and construction equipment (Case and New Holland brand families), trucks, commercial vehicles, buses, and special vehicles (Iveco), in addition to powertrains for industrial and marine applications (FPT Industrial). Present in all major markets worldwide, CNH Industrial is focused on expanding its presence in high-growth markets, including through joint ventures.[3]

Had no idea. Nice Italian/UK/Dutch company . Even more reason to only buy John Deere!!!

Might want to check on that.. anything except the top-of-the-line is made in India.. Even in the 80's the smaller tractors were all Yanmars (we had a JD950 and abused it terribly for 6000 hours, engine was still perfect but transmission was getting noisy)

One thing I do give JD full credit for is support for older models

 

[garyws]

Buying massive amounts of foreign products took a long time to get to where it is now and IF things do turn back to buying American goods it will take many years. We turned to foreign products because everybody wants to save a dollar, so we got what we asked for. We Americans will just have to work around our present situation and come up with new products to invent and produce, and do it better than anybody else. Also, we've got to quit sharing our technology with foreign nations...it's killing us.

 

[City Guy]

Cross-7 No lack of good employees where I work. Warehouse and outdoor work--all heavy and dirty and near minimum wage. High turnover, but as many go to better jobs as get let go or quit. Most want overtime and complain if they can't get it. Morale is high and work ethic is strong. Safety record is excellent and despite the dirt, heavy lifting, and heat/cold it is a pleasant place to work.

 

[Cross-7]

Cross-7 No lack of good employees where I work. Warehouse and outdoor work--all heavy and dirty and near minimum wage. High turnover, but as many go to better jobs as get let go or quit. Most want overtime and complain if they can't get it. Morale is high and work ethic is strong. Safety record is excellent and despite the dirt, heavy lifting, and heat/cold it is a pleasant place to work.

Sounds like the place I went to work for in 1987.
Lots of veterans showed me the way.
Somewhere over the years it changed.
I go to the office now and it's a foreign environment.
Whole nother world now.
Dam kids these days

 

[hurleyjd]

I watched a documentary on PBS about Detroit and all of the factories shuttered and rotting done. They are trying to rebuild downtown quicken loans has their headquarters there. The most interesting part was a young woman that had designed a coat for homeless people that would convert to a sleeping bag. She set up a sewing room there and had several black women working some ex addicts ex prostitute and she trained them how to sew and run the machines and they were turning out the coats.Cadillac still built there they showed the robotic arms doing everything welding installing fasteners painting. My thought how many cars can the robots purchase. Also think every state in the union influences car companies to come here to manufacture their wares. They are furnished land factories and tax incentives for a lot of years. So much for every employee.