Hurricane Sandy

[dieselbeef]

if yer not prepared just dont make it my problem...deal with it

 

[Caustic Burno]

if yer not prepared just dont make it my problem...deal with it

They are getting hit back to back like we have. I figure the media tears will break the drought.

 

[Workinonit Farm]

They are getting hit back to back like we have. I figure the media tears will break the drought.

But will that area get a one day visit from a special visitor who will then leave and go play basketball or golf or roulette?

Katherine

 

[cow pollinater]

I know half the board is from texas and this is a lose lose for me. All those storms down there are terrible and huge but they happen every two years down there and you guys should be prepared. .

I'm from CA and I think you guys should be ready for it. :wave: I hate that it happened to you but it did and it's largely yours to deal with even though people like me give regularly to organizations that help people that aren't ready for what happens to them.
My family is as ready for unexpected events as we can be. I have a hard time feeling sorry for people who are TOTALLY unprepared when threats of all sorts are fairly constant. Only idiots live and work in a box and never ask what happens if the box gets wet.

 

[slick4591]

I get the fact that there's only minutes or seconds to react when a tornado hits. I live with that threat every time a good storm brews. What I don't get is having several days notice and taking the mind set that it ain't gonna affect me so I'm staying.

Read an article a couple days ago about some older people that turned down evacuation help several times and decided to ride it out. Some of them were found floating in their apartments by the same neighbors that tried to get them out. I don't understand that, but I do respect anyone's right to make a deadly decision for themselves.

 

[Calman]

I think it was about 4years ago when we had the big big fire. A couple elderly people refused to leave their home after the deputy's tried three different times.They were found later in their car dead. It was half way down their driveway. We're good people knew them well.

Cal

 

[dieselbeef]

all that said..i will not leave..but i am well prepared...

hurricanes dont come when yer sleeping or when yer not ready..the sheep knew it was coming a week ahead of time and didnt even buy gas..or water..really...then suffer..my sig says ya cant fix stupid but maybe next time youll think about tomorrow...

gary

 

[chrisy]

all that said..i will not leave..but i am well prepared...

hurricanes dont come when yer sleeping or when yer not ready..the sheep knew it was coming a week ahead of time and didnt even buy gas..or water..really...then suffer..my sig says ya cant fix stupid but maybe next time youll think about tomorrow...

gary

if you have a weeks warning then there is no excuse, then you should be prepared...but unlike us there was no warning, Christmas day was lovely then Boxing day wham bam thank you mam we were under a 60 foot wave, and everything washed away. Sri Lanka 2004 Tsunami. At home we don't have such weather so it would catch me on the hop if there was no warning.

 

[TexasBred]

if yer not prepared just dont make it my problem...deal with it

They are getting hit back to back like we have. I figure the media tears will break the drought.

Seems to be human nature to wait to long to leave and then ask for him when it's over. I remember seeing I-45 with all lanes running north with cars....no southbound traffic.....there was still 200 miles of car, cars running out of fuel, people fighting, gas stations running out of fuel, commerce completely idle. Texans and Cajuns are really no better prepared than anyone else when you get right down to it other than some have enough sense to leave. Some still don't. Greybeard you can insure that house for all you want or all the insurance company will write (which is usually no more than THEY think it's worth). They are only going to way off what it's worth but gladly accept your premium for excess coverage.

I refuse to condemn any of the folks in the NE for whatever happens other than the gov't, FEMA, and unions who are being more of a problem than a solution. In times like these you help first....you'll have years to tell them what sorry dumba$$ sob's they are for not having prepared or reacted like you would have done it. Now i'm sure you hard asses on the gulf coast will disagree with all of this....that's fine. You have the right to be wrong. :lol: :lol: :lol: :wave:

 

[greybeard]

I insured it above initial cost, replacement cost, insurance company appraisal and contents value to make sure I got enough to cover rising construction costs for the future. If I lose this one, I'm gonna take the payout and will be headed back out west no matter what. Ain't my first go round with insurance companies, I know how their game is played too TB.
Hurricanes & ice storms is why I have a gen big enough to run my 220v waterwell and lights/refrigerator, and why I can most of my garden stuff now instead of freezing it. 2 coleman stoves and 3 lanterns plus my wife's dang ol oil lamps. But when a storm enters the Gulf, I fill every vehicle and gas can I have and hit the bank for cash and sitting ready on go before all those Houston idiots get on the road. I was still in West Texas when Rita came, but my father and sisters got caught up in that traffic trying to get to Tyler.
I stayed for Ike but left after the storm.
My twin brother in Little Rock, lost everything in his retirement home at Crystal Beach down on the peninsula. He bought it in April, spent Memorial Day weekend, 4th of July weekend, last weekend in Aug in it and then Ike took it. He paid exactly 6 monthly insurance premiums, got 2x what it it cost him to rebuild, and he rebuilt bigger and higher under the new codes. I tried to talk him out of rebuilding, but it's his $$. He also had Fed flood insurance--I was absolutely surprised at the # of people down there that had no flood ins or no ins at all--3-7' above sea level. He had his check before Thanksgiving after Ike.
Texas Windstorm, which is the State sponsored insurer of last resort in Texas, announced last week that if a storm were to hit the Texas coast, they couldn't pay--they're basically broke.

 

[Caustic Burno]

Here is where I have a problem in the government subsidizing insurance in these area's.
You build 2 to 3 feet above sea level sooner or later you are going to get hammered.
This is the part you can't fix stupid. If you want to build on the beach you shoild have to take full responsibilty of all cost and we shouldn't have to subsidize your stupidity.
The real problems on the Gulf Coast started with the influx of Northern's that took off in the 70's during the recession.
The population exploded out growing the infrastucture overnight and it has never caught up. Until that time Crystal Beach, Kemah, Seabrook were mainly shack, bait and fish house's. Overnight million dollar homes started popping up where I used to duck and goose hunt. They immigrants saw the bay and gulf and thought it was beautiful and started buiding on the water's edge.
TB you are right about the evacuation most had never seen a major hurricane and had never thought planning ahead and having several evacuation routes and communication plans with family. This didn't happen to the old timers who had experienced the storms.
Had a really nice camp house in upper Trinty Bay after Carla all that was left was the stilt pilings it sat on and a butane refrigerator. There was no insurance it was our loss for taking a chance, no tears we knew that when it was built.
Now I am well aware I am more affluent than most and own several homes and if one is lost I will just live in another one until I get it repaired. But when I was a poor boy starting out and only had one shotgun shack, the wife and I had to move the light bulb from room to room. I wasn't going to set on the coast waiting to get hammered. I going to get at least 70 miles off the coast with a storm coming in.
Again you have knowledge for days before it is coming .
Now I owned a house in Texas City that has survived every major hurricane since the early 50's , one in Woodville since 1962 and others that is not by chance. When I built a new house in 2005 it was designed to withstand 140 mph sustained winds. If you are going to live on the coast you need supplies an evacuation plan and homes designed to withstand hurricanes, like they do in the Key's. Nothing is indestructable and you are stupid if you think it is. Living next to the coast in thrown up stick house's you are asking for trouble. Thinking you can set 25 foot to seal level and you can ride it out is beyond stupid this is a tidal wave coming cept it doesn't leave for a day or two.

 

[greybeard]

Damage isn't caused due to a high water level for the majority of the damaged or destroyed homes. The water didn't get that high except on the first 2-3 rows of homes. The destruction comes when those 1st couple of rows of homes go down, and the debris from those homes is thrown by waves into the pilings supporting momes further away from the beach. It hammers the pilings out of those homes, and they fall, adding to the debris, and so on and so on till the debris pile is just too large and heavy for the waves to move anymore. On the peninsula, many of the homes right next to the beach fared better than ones further in, because they just saw clean water--not water with debris in them. I was on the peninsula the 1st day the guard let home owners back in--rode in with my brother--they required ID and some form of proof you had a valid interest there. The highway was barely cleared of sand and cars (bulldozed to the side) and you could clearly see all those dozen or so new cars, trucks and SUVs left in a big bunch on the highway where the residents tried too late to get out and had to abandon their vehicles to try to walk out to High Island. These are the ones (for the most part) whose bodies were never found. The bridge at rollover was a shaky 1 lane thing still and they had to throttle the # of vehicles on it to 1 at a time. Had a dogleg right in the middle of the bridge too.

Got lots of pics from that day I was there with brother, and the whole place smelled of death and sewage. I've walked in war--it wasn't as bad as what I saw on Bolivar. The debris pile made it across the highway, and stopped just before reaching the bay.

 

[Caustic Burno]

Damage isn't caused due to a high water level for the majority of the damaged or destroyed homes. The water didn't get that high except on the first 2-3 rows of homes. The destruction comes when those 1st couple of rows of homes go down, and the debris from those homes is thrown by waves into the pilings supporting momes further away from the beach. It hammers the pilings out of those homes, and they fall, adding to the debris, and so on and so on till the debris pile is just too large and heavy for the waves to move anymore. On the peninsula, many of the homes right next to the beach fared better than ones further in, because they just saw clean water--not water with debris in them. I was on the peninsula the 1st day the guard let home owners back in--rode in with my brother--they required ID and some form of proof you had a valid interest there. The highway was barely cleared of sand and cars (bulldozed to the side) and you could clearly see all those dozen or so new cars, trucks and SUVs left in a big bunch on the highway where the residents tried too late to get out and had to abandon their vehicles to try to walk out to High Island. These are the ones (for the most part) whose bodies were never found. The bridge at rollover was a shaky 1 lane thing still and they had to throttle the # of vehicles on it to 1 at a time. Had a dogleg right in the middle of the bridge too.

Got lots of pics from that day I was there with brother, and the whole place smelled of death and sewage. I've walked in war--it wasn't as bad as what I saw on Bolivar. The debris pile made it across the highway, and stopped just before reaching the bay.

When we build on natures 'right of way' we must learn to build in a way that survives when nature roars through.
TC/LM learned from Carla and built a storm levee which has already re-paid the cost.
The next leasson will be when a 'Carla' comes ashore at San Louis Pass.
— By Gary Miller

 

[backhoeboogie]

You have 24 years to prepare for Apothis slamming in to the earth. Many of us won't be around to see it.