How to spot a crook

[denoginnizer]

I always heard if a man had his hat cocked to one side he was likely a crook. Also, if his eyes were too far apart. Or anyone that calls you "buddy" . Got any other advice on spotting a crook?

 

[dun]

I always heard if a man had his hat cocked to one side he was likely a crook. Also, if his eyes were too far apart. Or anyone that calls you "buddy" . Got any other advice on spotting a crook?

If you put your hand in your pocket and someone elses hand is already there, he's probably a crook

dun

 

[flaboy+]

Every car salesman is a crook. They are pretty easy to spot that way.

My dad always told me, "Son your first impression of someone is always right". So, if your very first impression of someone is that he is a crook, he might very well be. ;-)

 

[cowgirl580]

I always heard if a man had his hat cocked to one side he was likely a crook. Also, if his eyes were too far apart. Or anyone that calls you "buddy" . Got any other advice on spotting a crook?

didn't know the hat cocked thing was an option. i know a sheriff's deputy that wears his hat cocked off duty. must be a crook in disguise.

 

[Running Arrow Bill]

Think the "cocked hat" position was a popular thing among farmers and ranchers in the 1930s and 1940s. Reason? Anyone's guess...

 

[denoginnizer]

I always heard if a man had his hat cocked to one side he was likely a crook. Also, if his eyes were too far apart. Or anyone that calls you "buddy" . Got any other advice on spotting a crook?

didn't know the hat cocked thing was an option. i know a sheriff's deputy that wears his hat cocked off duty. must be a crook in disguise.

Keep your eye on him

 

[Mahoney Pursley Ranch]

I always heard if a man had his hat cocked to one side he was likely a crook. Also, if his eyes were too far apart. Or anyone that calls you "buddy" . Got any other advice on spotting a crook?

If you put your hand in your pocket and someone elses hand is already there, he's probably a crook

dun

Or someone who wants to play pocket pool with ya. :shock:

 

[coolwater]

if you will pay attention to most salesmen they will have all of the same interest you have.lets say "i like blue trucks as opposed to red ones" the salseman would say "youre right blue is the best color.ive owned 8 blue trucks.besides red fades too easily" then if you say something like "i cant do without 4 wheel drive cause my deer lease is too muddy" your salesman will become [at once] a master deer hunter even though you can look at him and tell he dont know which end of the rifle is the dangerous end.ive found this true in many sales areas.i have a guy in each area that i deal with and that guy alone.if im buying a new truck i buy from the same guy.if im at sears i have a sears guy.if i buy an appliance i have an appliance guy.i let them know up front i dont p[lay games and i wont accept buying something i dont want or need and if they take care of me ill be back to do business with them again.ive found that works for me.

 

[flaboy+]

Coolwater, you are spot on. I just recently had an experience where a salesman tried his best to pump me for my interests. He started talking trucks, then went to campers, then went to bikes, specifically HD. I ignored it all and kept changing the subject by asking questions. He tried his best to tell me his life history and all of his interests to get me on his side. After all was said and done and I had made my deal I then discussed his Harley's to which he said, "you let me ramble on all that time and you didn't speak up". I told I was just listening to see if he knew what he was talking about or if he was just blowing smoke somewhere. :lol:

 

[Bullbuyer]

The easiest way to spot a crook is by his/her name. If their name begins with "Senator", "Representative", etc. you might want to BEWARE !

 

[coolwater]

The easiest way to spot a crook is by his/her name. If their name begins with "Senator", "Representative", etc. you might want to BEWARE !

yep youre right about that.

 

[sidney411]

Hey I dated a few guys that wore their hats all cock-eyed. This really explains a lot! :shock:

 

[AAOK]

Every car salesman is a crook. They are pretty easy to spot that way.

My dad always told me, "Son your first impression of someone is always right". So, if your very first impression of someone is that he is a crook, he might very well be. ;-)

At the age of 53, and having been a salesman since the age of 6, I take exception with all the posts about "Salesman" being crooks. I think you're talking about people who are employed to sell something, and wish they were salesmen. I conduct seminars on selling, do consulting work with sales professionals, and can assure you that most people in sales know nothing about selling. I do believe that successful car salesmen are some of the best you will find. Selling involves asking many questions, because selling is simply getting the customer what they really need. Many customers want something they can't afford, or something that is not going to do the job they need done. A real salesman will drag that out of them and then fight to overcome their objections. A real salesman is a customer's best friend.

 

[bam]

I would say that it is easier to find the ones that are not crooked, give them the benifit of the doubt. The world will be better off. The easiest way to find an honest man is to watch him when he thinks no one is looking. The real test of a persons character is what they do when no one can see them.

 

[flaboy+]

At the age of 53, and having been a salesman since the age of 6, I take exception with all the posts about "Salesman" being crooks. I think you're talking about people who are employed to sell something, and wish they were salesmen. I conduct seminars on selling, do consulting work with sales professionals, and can assure you that most people in sales know nothing about selling. I do believe that successful car salesmen are some of the best you will find. Selling involves asking many questions, because selling is simply getting the customer what they really need. Many customers want something they can't afford, or something that is not going to do the job they need done. A real salesman will drag that out of them and then fight to overcome their objections. A real salesman is a customer's best friend.

AAOK, you can take exception all day long if you want. I said "car salesman" and in MY experience I have NEVER had one tell me the truth. I do my homework before I purchase a big ticket item. I find that when I ask the car salesmen a question they will lie rather than tell me they don't know but will find out. I often test them. If I catch them in a blatant lie, I will either call them on it or just go somewhere else. Case in point, I just bought a used Jeep from a Jeep dealer. I asked the salesman who the previous owner was and he said some woman. I did a check and found it was a man from CT and he was the only owner. When I called him on it he had all kinds of excuses as to his confusion. You see he thought "woman" made a better owner than a man. I did buy the Jeep because they took my offer and I couldn't do better elsewhere. I can tell MANY other of the same stories if you like.

I support our sales group here with proposals for rather large systems. I am often very amused at how they often weasel word responses to make it sound like what the customer wants. These are "trained" sales folks. Is this what they teac in sales training. I say teach the product. If the product is good, it will sell itself.

Not to disparage ALL sales folks but I personally don't trust them. ;-)

 

[AAOK]

[/quote]I support our sales group here with proposals for rather large systems. I am often very amused at how they often weasel word responses to make it sound like what the customer wants. These are "trained" sales folks. Is this what they teac in sales training. I say teach the product. If the product is good, it will sell itself.

Not to disparage ALL sales folks but I personally don't trust them. ;-)[/quote]

Obviously, you have never had the opportunity to deal with a "good" car salesman, or any good salesman, from what you say. NO! Absolutely NO! Sales training never involves teaching twisting customer responses. You are correct, trained Sales people need to know their products inside and out. You are way off base in saying if the product is good, it will sell itself. The best product ever invented would never sell one piece if it weren't correctly marketed. I don't know what your Systems are, but I'm sure that everyone doesn't need one. Marketing often causes people to believe they need something that they would be better off without. A properly trained sales person will convince those customers to buy a different product or do without if that is best for them. Sadly, there aren't many companies which train their sales staff anymore.

True Sales Personel have to be very honest people to succeed in their professions. Next time you go to buy a car, ask for the oldest guy on the lot. Maybe you'll find a good one.

 

[flaboy+]

Obviously, you have never had the opportunity to deal with a "good" car salesman, or any good salesman, from what you say. .

You are correct on that. There are no good car salesmen pain and simple in MY book.

You are way off base in saying if the product is good, it will sell itself. The best product ever invented would never sell one piece if it weren't correctly marketed. .

Marketing and Sales are two different beasts.

Sadly, there aren't many companies which train their sales staff anymore. .

Agreed.

True Sales Personel have to be very honest people to succeed in their professions. Next time you go to buy a car, ask for the oldest guy on the lot. Maybe you'll find a good one.

Yep been there tried that. He was 67 and I asked him if the 6 liter diesel engine in the Ford truck had any problems. His response was something to effect "Nope, never had one come back". What a joke. I went on to list all the recalls and TSB's for him. Age doesn't mean honesty.

Gotta another fish.

 

[Ryder]

Every car salesman is a crook. They are pretty easy to spot that way.

My dad always told me, "Son your first impression of someone is always right". So, if your very first impression of someone is that he is a crook, he might very well be. ;-)

Flaboy, I always found that dealing with car salesmen was one of life's very unpleasant experiences and would agree with your opinion up until the last time I went car shopping.
I had done my homework, knew the numbers and knew what was a fair deal. Went to a Ford dealer in Kentwood, La. and the salesman and manager tried to commit robbery.

Went on up the road to the Ford dealer in McComb, Miss. Told them what I was looking for, they did their figuring and came back to me with their numbers and I produced mine. They were almost exactly the same. I complemented them on being straight forward and they said they didn't play those games with customers. Didn't buy there because they didn't have the car in and I was pressed for time.
But I was very impressed with the integrity of these people.

Actually bought from a third dealer who had the car on the lot. Called and made an offer and they accepted.

Two days later the first dealership called and said they had just "found" another $500 they could take off the price. He was two days too late.

 

[AAOK]

Gotta another fish.

Yep. To begin with, this Thread was a Bad Topic. 99% of all people are good, honest folks. The very few who are crooks just get all the publicity. Due to my acute listening skills(#1 trait for Sales), I have determined exactly what you need; An Attitude Adjustment.

Here is your prescription for the New and Improved flaboy+:

1. You need a vacation. I recommend a week in St. Thomas/St. John; a little snorkling, a little sail boating, and plenty of time on the beach.

2. Get a new mattress. Evidently you're not resting well. Maybe try a Memory Foam.

That should do it. PM me when you get back. Also, let me know about the mattress. I need one too.

 

[flaboy+]

Flaboy, I always found that dealing with car salesmen was one of life's very unpleasant experiences and would agree with your opinion up until the last time I went car shopping.
I had done my homework, knew the numbers and knew what was a fair deal. Went to a Ford dealer in Kentwood, La. and the salesman and manager tried to commit robbery.

Went on up the road to the Ford dealer in McComb, Miss. Told them what I was looking for, they did their figuring and came back to me with their numbers and I produced mine. They were almost exactly the same. I complemented them on being straight forward and they said they didn't play those games with customers. Didn't buy there because they didn't have the car in and I was pressed for time.
But I was very impressed with the integrity of these people.

Ryder, like you I dread that whole experience. I have dealt with some very good dealerships and real nice salesmen but never an honest salesman.

Here's another example on my last experience. The salesman told me there is a deaper prep fee. I asked what he was prepping on a used vehicle? He mumbled something and said the dealer won't back off that fee and I would have to pay it. I told him "this is a deal breaker just on principle". He walked in the back and came back and said "ok, they will drop it". Now, he could have told me "I will check and see if they will drop that fee".

There is nothing more that turns me off than a salesman that just plain lies. If they don't know just say so rather than just spewing something.

I have probably gotten just plain rude when dealing with them now. I walk in and say here is my trade and I want X amount for it. This is the vehicle I want and I am willing to pay this (X)difference. I won't stay more than an hour at a dealer unless I am filling out paper work. I have had them call me back also the next day and say ok we will go with your offer. I find it pleasing to tell them "sorry, I bought one yesterday".

Had another one couple years ago tell me I didn't want a diesel. He said the V10 makes more torque and and pulls heavy loads better. I stayed there just long enough to make sure they didn't have the color I wanted.