Holstein ration will this work?

Hullsner

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50% Rolled Corn
25% Wheat
25% Alfalfa hay fines (high quality fines >20%CP and >145 RFV)
I would add the appropriate amount of Monensin and a medicated crumble.

my question is would this work? The price is right I just want to know if this would be good feed?
 
What are you trying to do? Feed a milking ration or a high protein beef growing ration or a high carb. beef fattening ration?
In our neck of the woods, most people don't feed wheat in general to cattle, the thought is the gluten "gums up" in the gut, whether or not that is true.
Most prefer something similar to COB - Corn oats and barley. Corn and barley are a "hot" feed and oats "cooler" type feed.
Also, what you feed may depend of what your climate is and what is available in your area. In our colder climate and in the colder time of the year people lean towards a hotter feed with barley in it.
Have you spoken to your other local folks and ask what they feed?
Nite Hawk
 
I want to fatten

would this work?

25% alfalfa fines (high protein alfalfa)
25% Oats
50% rolled corn
monensin
some sodium bicarb
and some free choice blue grass straw separately.
 
To fatten you want to lean more towards a high Carbohydrate diet than towards a high protein diet. Protein is more for growing muscle, carbohydrates tends to fatten.
The protocol that we followed with raising 4-H steers was first to put them on a high protein diet to "grow" them, and then gradually switching to a high carbohydrate diet towards the end.
We used steam flattened corn, oats and barley as it is digested /absorbed better than whole grains, and sometimes switched to straight barley towards the end. Barley is pretty hot and you can burn them out if you are feeding high volumes without roughage such as a good flake of grass hay to go along with it, so be careful with it.
Sodium Bicarb might be a good idea with high volumes of grain, not familiar with monensin, execpt heard that if horses accidently get into it, it is toxic to them.
Straight Alfalfa is a good feed if an animal is working ( milking etc) but pretty hot for animals that are not doing anything. Seen animals get the "runs" from it. although some animals it don"t bother.
Good to mix it with a bit of grass hay.
Most large feed stores have someone who is up on the different feeds,and sometimes there are government people who can give advice.
Hope that helps.
Nite Hawk
 
They also will fatten on the Corn oats and barley mix, but it also depends on what is available in your location.
Also, the Barley we try to mix with a small amount of beet pulp.Tends to slow the digestion down a bit so it is absorbed better, and helps buffer the stomach..
Nite Hawk
 
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Thanks guys these are my first 15. I've had them on pasture with 5 pounds of CHS Kountry Buffet which is a 14% pellet with a flaked corn and molasses. They have framed up okay but they are Holsteins so they are going to naturally do that anyways.

I want to use the alfalfa fines because they are cheap and the wheat also. For a 500lbs calf how many lbs max of this type of feed could I pump to them before I might see some problems with acidosis and/or founder. I've heard Holsteins are more resistant to founder than beef breeds but what do you guys think?

Thanks again it is really nice to have people available that I can run things by so I at least know I'm not doing something absolutely crazy.
 
Hullsner":3ot6nbss said:
I want to fatten

would this work?

25% alfalfa fines (high protein alfalfa)
25% Oats
50% rolled corn
monensin
some sodium bicarb
and some free choice blue grass straw separately.
Any particular reason you're wanting to use alfalfa? Convenience, availability, etc?
 
I am a hay exporter and i have a ton of hay fines as byproduct from making hay cubes and 2nd pressing hay. So I can get 20%cp alflalfa fines that would mix well with the other two ingredients and I can get as much as I need and/or want.
 
Hullsner":15l44mxn said:
I am a hay exporter and i have a ton of hay fines as byproduct from making hay cubes and 2nd pressing hay. So I can get 20%cp alflalfa fines that would mix well with the other two ingredients and I can get as much as I need and/or want.

Where are you located? What port does that hay leave? Thanks in advance.
 
Is there any way to counteract the bloat from the alfalfa fines? my reason for using them is because it is cheap protein.
 
How about instead of feeding the blue grass straw free choice you chop it and use it to make up 10-15% of your complete ration that should reduce your risk of bloat.
Hopefully someone else can tell you if that ration will still put fat on holsteins though.
 
Hullsner":29qlsdtu said:
Is there any way to counteract the bloat from the alfalfa fines? my reason for using them is because it is cheap protein.
You will be unable to manage bloat with that high of a inclusion of alfalfa fines. It won't be cheap when they are dead.
 
Just an FYI I have been feeding a 50/50 hay fines (from hay cubes) Steam flaked corn ration. I am feeding about 12 lbs of that ration with free choice blue grass hay. It is working great! 3lbs a day gains
 
Hullsner,

I know this has been some time ago, but my son has shown an interest in feeding some holst steers. I am not much on bottle babies since I have wound up being the bottle holder more than once. With that said he can get some weaned steers, 250-350, bought for what looks like nothing back on the far end with the current market. And if things go the way they did last year when the grass comes, he would end up selling for more per cwt than what he buys them at.

One of the feed options is the CHS kountry buffet you mentioned. But that stuff is steep. The other is rolled barley, about 130/ton less. Did you have any troubles mixing your grain with the pellets, and if you did it again, would you mix it or just go straight pellets?
 

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