Hill's Purchases

[redfornow]

I will be the first to admit these where not the top end animals.
Average at best, with limited pedigree behind em.
(I know that and I dont know jack about BA genetics)
But they still had a few calfs in em. That was my point.
If I would have had hay up (and the wife wouldnt have been there) I would have taken more than a few to the farm.
The bred heifers went high, close to your 4000 a head average.
But there just were not used cow buyers there that day.

MD

PS on another note I have never understood that, heifers going out of this world, while good cows can be had at half the price and well less than half the trouble.

 

[redfornow]

The original debate here started on purebreds, gents.

Yep this one has got off track.
My point was and still is. I bet he is telling the truth, as thats not the end of the world money to start your herd off.
Yes its ALOT of money, especially if you are borrowing it.
But he wouldnt be the first to spend that kind of cash.

MD

NO and he won't be the last. ive seen fellers get in a bidding frinzy and go ass over tea kettle. just because they get caught up in names and numbers. some buying with poor epd's just because they were friends of the owner.

Yep happens every sale. I always look around to see who is bidding, you can tell many times where the bids going by whose hand is in the air.
No since in getting in a pi$$ing contest over a cow. But people do it. Makes the sellers happy I suppose...

MD

 

[bgm]

Did he buy or not?

Do I really care?

I for one will not be losing any sleep over this earth shattering debate. :lol:

 

[Brandonm2]

there i no way on earth I would buy a registered animal for $800-$1300. commercial cow are bringing more than that. those must be culls from the culls. The average registered angus sold for around $4000 last year. that low price tells you what someone thinks of those cows and pedigrees. I'm not saying that the more you pay for a cow the better she is but at that price you could use them as recips

I'm sure raising the wrong breed of cattle. I've attended a lot of sales for Red Angus, Hereford and Simmenthal and have never seen a sale average for females of 4k per head. At the National Western they'll average higher then that and they will this week at the Red Angus convention. But the average is probably coser to $2500 for most sales of quality registered cows.
dun

Same here. Most sales have 10-20 animals bring REALLY strong and then things come back to earth. I have certainly seen some sub $1200 registered females at production and dispersal sales....even at Black Angus events. About ~6-8 years ago when we were in the last cattle cycle valley I saw some dispersals where you could fill a good trailer load with an $800/head bid.

 

[SEC]

Let's remember that the $4000 also includes cattle that sold through sales from the "cocktail club". Pretty hard to compete with that.

If you took out the high rollers, the average would read way different.

 

[memanpa]

imho i do nopt think he did buy them!

go look at the plateau pride sale cataloge, some of those lots he claimed he had bought were daughters of some $$$$ bulls and cows, $50000 and up, not going to buy that kind of cattle for $1500! for sure.

and then the bbc new design bull he claimed to have bought from TY BYRD of red bluff ca, on the 6th of september, actually the sale was the 7th
the byrds retain 50% of semen sales yet he claimed he was going to use him as a clean up bull and use two other bulls on 15-20 head of cows, does that make any sense. plus the shipping of this bull from ca to va a distance of 2770 miles according to mapquest not going to get that done for nothing

i could be wrong but i see a lot more than any $20000 have been spent , and don't forget the 3 lots he claimed to have purchased from turner farms on september 10th. google turner farms another high dollar operation and high dollar cattle.

if he DID buy all this stock he has more money than sense just starting out!!
in MHO no way!


add in the incredable way he supposedly dispersed his grandparents herd in a matter of a few days including flushes etc, just does not give this guy much crediability

 

[S.R.R.]

add in the incredable way he supposedly dispersed his grandparents herd in a matter of a few days including flushes etc, just does not give this guy much crediability

Tell me this. How do you allow your grandparents to sell off everything they have worked for their whole life in order to get them out of a tight spot. Meanwhile you have enough money sitting around to change breeds and names etc. at the drop of a hat? :help: If these stories are true I do not know how you live with yourself. That is just lowdown to make your grandparents sell out while you have the money to throw around on this breed and that breed this name and that name...........!

 

[KMacGinley]

He insinuated that his grandparents were losing the farm for some reason and that he was going to save them with the money that he had + money from selling his cows, bulls, embryos etc. He did all this in 72 hours over a weekend. The week before he was leasing a ranch in California to start either a Gelbvieh or Red Angus outfit. Then a week later he announced that he was going into the angus business. A week after that he had gone to several sales and purchased several head while maintaining his 3.9 gpa, planning his breeding program and decideing on whether he wanted to become a vet tech and getting ready to implant some embryos, rewriting his families cattle history from hereford to angus and posting on here to find out which breed EXT was in.

I find his antics highly entertaining and am curious as to what, if any of this was true.

 

[oakcreekfarms]

My question would be more of how can someone buy 10 donor cows and implant 200 cows and be taken as a serious breeder of cattle.

 

[la4angus]

He insinuated that his grandparents were losing the farm for some reason

I find his antics highly entertaining and am curious as to what, if any of this was true.

I could believe the part of the grandparents losing the farm.

 

[Brandonm2]

He insinuated that his grandparents were losing the farm for some reason and that he was going to save them with the money that he had + money from selling his cows, bulls, embryos etc. He did all this in 72 hours over a weekend. The week before he was leasing a ranch in California to start either a Gelbvieh or Red Angus outfit. Then a week later he announced that he was going into the angus business. A week after that he had gone to several sales and purchased several head while maintaining his 3.9 gpa, planning his breeding program and decideing on whether he wanted to become a vet tech and getting ready to implant some embryos, rewriting his families cattle history from hereford to angus and posting on here to find out which breed EXT was in.

I find his antics highly entertaining and am curious as to what, if any of this was true.

I don't know what is real and what is not real; BUT I have seen Matt Frye's name, that Keya cow, and the Red Oak bull together in his ad in the Hereford World (pg 25 Aug 2006). Those two at least are real animals. How many embryos he owns/owned? and if he is now the Angus breed's next great breeder I don't know? IF he is NOT Matthew Frye, the real Matt Frye has a REAL lawsuit if not a criminal identity theft case. I believe that he is Matt Frye, he did inherit some money and he did spend it on some Hereford cows and a bunch of advertising. What all really happened after that is anybody's guess.

 

[memanpa]

ok i have no problem with you believing?
i could not find the ad that you said was there but i have no reason to doubt you!

just too many descrepancys in his stories for the past few months for me to give him any creditability in anything at all!!
the freedom to believe in what we believe in is what makes this a great place to live in.

 

[Alice]

He insinuated that his grandparents were losing the farm for some reason and that he was going to save them with the money that he had + money from selling his cows, bulls, embryos etc. He did all this in 72 hours over a weekend. The week before he was leasing a ranch in California to start either a Gelbvieh or Red Angus outfit. Then a week later he announced that he was going into the angus business. A week after that he had gone to several sales and purchased several head while maintaining his 3.9 gpa, planning his breeding program and decideing on whether he wanted to become a vet tech and getting ready to implant some embryos, rewriting his families cattle history from hereford to angus and posting on here to find out which breed EXT was in.

I find his antics highly entertaining and am curious as to what, if any of this was true.

I don't know what is real and what is not real; BUT I have seen Matt Frye's name, that Keya cow, and the Red Oak bull together in his ad in the Hereford World (pg 25 Aug 2006). Those two at least are real animals. How many embryos he owns/owned? and if he is now the Angus breed's next great breeder I don't know? IF he is NOT Matthew Frye, the real Matt Frye has a REAL lawsuit if not a criminal identity theft case. I believe that he is Matt Frye, he did inherit some money and he did spend it on some Hereford cows and a bunch of advertising. What all really happened after that is anybody's guess.

What's scary? What if it's true.

Alice

 

[oakcreekfarms]

I have called him before, someone else answered the phone and told me to call a different number. I called that phone and never got a return. Though my guess is it was family that answered the phone. He really did buy SHF red oak sight unseen, I have talked to MR.Schultz about that. The cow that he had was one very well put together cow. If he would have stuck with that cow and the others that he had he could have done well. But now with his switch who knows. Like I said I used to be interested in buying a donor cow with him (untill I learned some things). That was a little over a month ago, he told me he was going to buy a bunch of cows and get back into it. Then 3 weeks ago he emailed me telling me he bought these angus cows. I think he truelly buys into anything anyone tells him. He chases fame in the business over the actual product. My guess is his name got around a little in the hereford business and cattle were going to be harder for him to buy.

 

[redfornow]

I have called him before, someone else answered the phone and told me to call a different number. I called that phone and never got a return. Though my guess is it was family that answered the phone. He really did buy SHF red oak sight unseen, I have talked to MR.Schultz about that. The cow that he had was one very well put together cow. If he would have stuck with that cow and the others that he had he could have done well. But now with his switch who knows. Like I said I used to be interested in buying a donor cow with him (untill I learned some things). That was a little over a month ago, he told me he was going to buy a bunch of cows and get back into it. Then 3 weeks ago he emailed me telling me he bought these angus cows. I think he truelly buys into anything anyone tells him. He chases fame in the business over the actual product. My guess is his name got around a little in the hereford business and cattle were going to be harder for him to buy.

There you go we have a winner. Of all I have heard this makes the most logic.
Who buys an add without anything to sell?
Sounds like a stunt to me in many ways, this is a business and has to be run as one.

MD

 

[KMacGinley]

When the Gelbvieh in California thing came up, I suggested to him that he should just add some angus to his herd in Virginia since they are so popular there. I guess that he did listen. I don't remember telling him to dump the herfs though. I think he had a good start with them.

 

[Bullbuyer]

I don't know who this 'Hill" person is or anything other than what i've read here but he/they really seem to get some people riled up. Could somebody send me a PM and enlighten me - hate to remain uninformed about something that seems to really fire people up !!!

 

[dun]

I don't know who this 'Hill" person is or anything other than what i've read here but he/they really seem to get some people riled up. Could somebody send me a PM and enlighten me - hate to remain uninformed about something that seems to really fire people up !!!

Do a search for hillcrest* as the poster name. You can see all of the stuff he claimed

 

[KMacGinley]

HillCreek, I think you mean Dun, also Mr. Right Guy and the new angus one.

 

[dun]

HillCreek, I think you mean Dun, also Mr. Right Guy and the new angus one.

Yup, that's it!

dun