Hill's Purchases

[KMacGinley]

Did anyone confirm Hill's purchases at the sale? I bet that he was telling the truth.

 

[Brandonm2]

I am inclined too believe Hill on the 15 head and a bull too. That is very doable if you own land. NOW Hill has been caught telling untruths in the past, so anything is possible; but I believe him on this one......until it is proven otherwise.

 

[redfornow]

I hope its the truth heck if a guy cant buy 15 head he needs to get out of the cattle game.
Not saying I do every sale, but I have bought that many when the price is right and the cattle are good.
Who hasnt?
But, sometimes liars lie, because thats waht they do...
Not because they have to
MD

 

[ALACOWMAN]

the average joe cant buy 15 registerd head. and if i could you are anyone on here would not know about it. maybe a few years down the road after i developed a good quailty herd from those 15 and i kept the program moving foward. i believe in purchacing good genetics but i have my pride in making a animal better than its parents

 

[Brandonm2]

the average joe cant buy 15 registerd head. and if i could you are anyone on here would not know about it. maybe a few years down the road after i developed a good quailty herd from those 15 and i kept the program moving foward. i believe in purchacing good genetics but i have my pride in making a animal better than its parents

We both know how much land is valued at here in Alabama at the moment and Northern Virginia is valued even more highly. The average Joe that inherits land or has purchased land years ago CAN borrow ~$50,000 against that land pretty easily (building lots go for $20,000 and UP now). I don't recommend it; and like you if I did it only me and my banker would know about it, but it IS very doable. We got clear title on everything we own place except for one pickup truck and I would like to keep it that way.

 

[Tod Dague]

the average joe cant buy 15 registerd head. and if i could you are anyone on here would not know about it. maybe a few years down the road after i developed a good quailty herd from those 15 and i kept the program moving foward. i believe in purchacing good genetics but i have my pride in making a animal better than its parents

We both know how much land is valued at here in Alabama at the moment and Northern Virginia is valued even more highly. The average Joe that inherits land or has purchased land years ago CAN borrow ~$50,000 against that land pretty easily (building lots go for $20,000 and UP now). I don't recommend it; and like you if I did it only me and my banker would know about it, but it IS very doable. We got clear title on everything we own place except for one pickup truck and I would like to keep it that way.

:lol: The problem is that many of us average Joe's haven't inherited a thing and many of us would rather not start out our cattle business with dept. For those who did get their start by inheritance great for them I hope to do the same for my kids someday. Now if we can get rid of the inheritance tax forever I for one will be happy. I'm hoping to not die in the near future. ;-)

 

[Brandonm2]

the average joe cant buy 15 registerd head. and if i could you are anyone on here would not know about it. maybe a few years down the road after i developed a good quailty herd from those 15 and i kept the program moving foward. i believe in purchacing good genetics but i have my pride in making a animal better than its parents

We both know how much land is valued at here in Alabama at the moment and Northern Virginia is valued even more highly. The average Joe that inherits land or has purchased land years ago CAN borrow ~$50,000 against that land pretty easily (building lots go for $20,000 and UP now). I don't recommend it; and like you if I did it only me and my banker would know about it, but it IS very doable. We got clear title on everything we own place except for one pickup truck and I would like to keep it that way.

:lol: The problem is that many of us average Joe's haven't inherited a thing and many of us would rather not start out our cattle business with dept. For those who did get their start by inheritance great for them I hope to do the same for my kids someday. Now if we can get rid of the inheritance tax forever I for one will be happy. I'm hoping to not die in the near future. ;-)

Hill is 21. It is not his fault that somebody close too him DIED. I can't speak for Hill but I would much rather that MY Grandfather had lived into his 100s and I am positive that my Mother would GLADLY sign everything he left too her back too him if he COULD come back to us healthy, (though I believe that the departed have it better than we have it here) and IF it is left up too me she will long outlive me. I would just as soon NEVER inherit anything. My hat is off too anyone who gets in this business from scratch. I doubt that I could even function without everything I learned here over the years. I remember "assisting" my Grandfather pulling calves, castrating, working cows, feeding, bushogging, etc going back to AT LEAST age 5.

 

[Wewild]

Hill is 21. It is not his fault that somebody close too him DIED. I can't speak for Hill but I would much rather that MY Grandfather had lived into his 100s and I am positive that my Mother would GLADLY sign everything he left too her back too him if he COULD come back to us healthy, (though I believe that the departed have it better than we have it here) and IF it is left up too me she will long outlive me. I would just as soon NEVER inherit anything. My hat is off too anyone who gets in this business from scratch. I doubt that I could even function without everything I learned here over the years. I remember "assisting" my Grandfather pulling calves, castrating, working cows, feeding, bushogging, etc going back to AT LEAST age 5.

That is deep. I agree 100%.

You may have missed having to put them down.

Great post. It's a family tradition.

 

[Tod Dague]

the average joe cant buy 15 registerd head. and if i could you are anyone on here would not know about it. maybe a few years down the road after i developed a good quailty herd from those 15 and i kept the program moving foward. i believe in purchacing good genetics but i have my pride in making a animal better than its parents

We both know how much land is valued at here in Alabama at the moment and Northern Virginia is valued even more highly. The average Joe that inherits land or has purchased land years ago CAN borrow ~$50,000 against that land pretty easily (building lots go for $20,000 and UP now). I don't recommend it; and like you if I did it only me and my banker would know about it, but it IS very doable. We got clear title on everything we own place except for one pickup truck and I would like to keep it that way.

:lol: The problem is that many of us average Joe's haven't inherited a thing and many of us would rather not start out our cattle business with dept. For those who did get their start by inheritance great for them I hope to do the same for my kids someday. Now if we can get rid of the inheritance tax forever I for one will be happy. I'm hoping to not die in the near future. ;-)

Hill is 21. It is not his fault that somebody close too him DIED. I can't speak for Hill but I would much rather that MY Grandfather had lived into his 100s and I am positive that my Mother would GLADLY sign everything he left too her back too him if he COULD come back to us healthy, (though I believe that the departed have it better than we have it here) and IF it is left up too me she will long outlive me. I would just as soon NEVER inherit anything. My hat is off too anyone who gets in this business from scratch. I doubt that I could even function without everything I learned here over the years. I remember "assisting" my Grandfather pulling calves, castrating, working cows, feeding, bushogging, etc going back to AT LEAST age 5.

Did you not read this?

For those who did get their start by inheritance great for them I hope to do the same for my kids someday.

My post had nothing to do with Hill. It was in response to your last post.

 

[redfornow]

the average joe cant buy 15 registerd head. and if i could you are anyone on here would not know about it. maybe a few years down the road after i developed a good quailty herd from those 15 and i kept the program moving foward. i believe in purchacing good genetics but i have my pride in making a animal better than its parents

Maybe you arnt going to the right sales. lol
The last reg angus sale I was at 5 to 7 year old cows where the order of the day, went off bred 800 to 1300 many of em.
If I would have had the hay, I would have been money ahead. Not the best genetics, older stuff. But still good working cows.

Just my humble ideas

MD

 

[Caustic Burno]

the average joe cant buy 15 registerd head. and if i could you are anyone on here would not know about it. maybe a few years down the road after i developed a good quailty herd from those 15 and i kept the program moving foward. i believe in purchacing good genetics but i have my pride in making a animal better than its parents

Maybe you arnt going to the right sales. lol
The last reg angus sale I was at 5 to 7 year old cows where the order of the day, went off bred 800 to 1300 many of em.
If I would have had the hay, I would have been money ahead. Not the best genetics, older stuff. But still good working cows.

Just my humble ideas

MD

I agree with Cowman here a lot of people can not reach in and pull 15 to 20 thousand dollars out the back pocket to buy cows at salebarn prices.

 

[Brandonm2]

The problem is that many of us average Joe's haven't inherited a thing and many of us would rather not start out our cattle business with dept.

I am not advocating that anybody go in to debt, especially too buy seedstock. ALL I was saying is that ALMOST everybody here with title too land COULD get a first, second, or third mortgage to buy a few cows IF they chose to do that. Heck, you can put your cows up for collateral with some lenders. I get mail outs all the time from Farm Services offering to loan KIDS money to buy 4H/FFA project calves and I don't even have any children.

 

[redfornow]

the average joe cant buy 15 registerd head. and if i could you are anyone on here would not know about it. maybe a few years down the road after i developed a good quailty herd from those 15 and i kept the program moving foward. i believe in purchacing good genetics but i have my pride in making a animal better than its parents

Maybe you arnt going to the right sales. lol
The last reg angus sale I was at 5 to 7 year old cows where the order of the day, went off bred 800 to 1300 many of em.
If I would have had the hay, I would have been money ahead. Not the best genetics, older stuff. But still good working cows.

Just my humble ideas

MD

I agree with Cowman here a lot of people can not reach in and pull 15 to 20 thousand dollars out the back pocket to buy cows at salebarn prices.

I am not saying that everyone should, or that they even could.
ALL I am saying is that this isnt a farfetched story. People spend that kind of money everyday in this business.
Yes you are right not everyday not everytime.
But if the price is right, the cash is there and the hay is up.

I know many that do, heck every stocker around here I know does. buys them in the spring runs em till the grass runs out.
I dont know one that is running stockers that does less than a potload, most two around these parts.
Of course these arnt hobby boys either, so maybe thats the difference? Takes money to make money, and the cattle game is a cash sucker.

MD

ps I wouldnt borrow for cattle, margins are not enough to carry em.

 

[plbcattle]

there i no way on earth I would buy a registered animal for $800-$1300. commercial cow are bringing more than that. those must be culls from the culls. The average registered angus sold for around $4000 last year. that low price tells you what someone thinks of those cows and pedigrees. I'm not saying that the more you pay for a cow the better she is but at that price you could use them as recips

 

[CowpokeJ]

the average joe cant buy 15 registerd head. and if i could you are anyone on here would not know about it. maybe a few years down the road after i developed a good quailty herd from those 15 and i kept the program moving foward. i believe in purchacing good genetics but i have my pride in making a animal better than its parents

Maybe you arnt going to the right sales. lol
The last reg angus sale I was at 5 to 7 year old cows where the order of the day, went off bred 800 to 1300 many of em.
If I would have had the hay, I would have been money ahead. Not the best genetics, older stuff. But still good working cows.

Just my humble ideas

MD

there i no way on earth I would buy a registered animal for $800-$1300. commercial cow are bringing more than that. those must be culls from the culls. The average registered angus sold for around $4000 last year. that low price tells you what someone thinks of those cows and pedigrees. I'm not saying that the more you pay for a cow the better she is but at that price you could use them as recips. PLBCattle.


Obviously, you and him are in two different businesses. His $800-1300 cows will be having at least $600 plus calves, depending on sale barn or private treaty. Commercial cattlemen can't come out on a $4000 cow.

 

[purecountry]

The original debate here started on purebreds, gents.

 

[redfornow]

The original debate here started on purebreds, gents.

Yep this one has got off track.
My point was and still is. I bet he is telling the truth, as thats not the end of the world money to start your herd off.
Yes its ALOT of money, especially if you are borrowing it.
But he wouldnt be the first to spend that kind of cash.

MD

 

[KMacGinley]

the average joe cant buy 15 registerd head. and if i could you are anyone on here would not know about it. maybe a few years down the road after i developed a good quailty herd from those 15 and i kept the program moving foward. i believe in purchacing good genetics but i have my pride in making a animal better than its parents

Maybe you arnt going to the right sales. lol
The last reg angus sale I was at 5 to 7 year old cows where the order of the day, went off bred 800 to 1300 many of em.
If I would have had the hay, I would have been money ahead. Not the best genetics, older stuff. But still good working cows.

Just my humble ideas

MD

there i no way on earth I would buy a registered animal for $800-$1300. commercial cow are bringing more than that. those must be culls from the culls. The average registered angus sold for around $4000 last year. that low price tells you what someone thinks of those cows and pedigrees. I'm not saying that the more you pay for a cow the better she is but at that price you could use them as recips. PLBCattle.


Obviously, you and him are in two different businesses. His $800-1300 cows will be having at least $600 plus calves, depending on sale barn or private treaty. Commercial cattlemen can't come out on a $4000 cow.

Most purebred breeders can't either, truth be told.

I have seen purebred cows sell cheap at dispersal sales and production sales of people with no reputation. There are sometimes a lot of bargains.

 

[ALACOWMAN]

The original debate here started on purebreds, gents.

Yep this one has got off track.
My point was and still is. I bet he is telling the truth, as thats not the end of the world money to start your herd off.
Yes its ALOT of money, especially if you are borrowing it.
But he wouldnt be the first to spend that kind of cash.

MD

NO and he won't be the last. ive seen fellers get in a bidding frinzy and go ass over tea kettle. just because they get caught up in names and numbers. some buying with poor epd's just because they were friends of the owner.

 

[dun]

there i no way on earth I would buy a registered animal for $800-$1300. commercial cow are bringing more than that. those must be culls from the culls. The average registered angus sold for around $4000 last year. that low price tells you what someone thinks of those cows and pedigrees. I'm not saying that the more you pay for a cow the better she is but at that price you could use them as recips

I'm sure raising the wrong breed of cattle. I've attended a lot of sales for Red Angus, Hereford and Simmenthal and have never seen a sale average for females of 4k per head. At the National Western they'll average higher then that and they will this week at the Red Angus convention. But the average is probably coser to $2500 for most sales of quality registered cows.
The people that fall under the spell of the "donor cow" hype will pay a higher average. But there are very few herds that are made up of all "donor cows".

dun