Hey, flounder.....

[Texan]

This is the kind of anti-beef, anti-cattle, anti-American garbage that I'm talking about when I say that you should be history around here, flounder:

.....my God, we have all become exposed to this deadly agent due to there continued lies, deceit and cover ups.in essence, what the USDA did in force feeding the globe all these TSEs, was far worse than what MAFF did in exporting there poison around the globe in the 80s. the USA has exposed the globe to there poison by this BSE/TSE MRR policy, and if you dont eat it, they'll just through sanctions at you. ...

http://cattletoday.com/forum/viewtopic. ... 988#195988

That's the same kind of crap that people could read on a fruitcake, vegan, PETA site. But that's not why people come to the Cattle Today Boards. I have never been in favor of censorship on these Boards. I've stood up for people that I have actually despised when censorship has been mentioned in the past. But I feel that those of us here that are interested in cattle shouldn't have to put up with your garbage.

We all have our agendas to push. Our agenda on the Cattle Today Boards is to promote cattle and the raising of cattle and the lifestyle that goes with it. Your hate-filled agenda is obviously driven by the loss of your mother (not from BSE, by the way). It's obviously become an obsession with you. I'm sure that we all sympathize with you.

But you must realize that the promotion of your agenda and your right to free speech ends when it starts interfering with my right to make a living. Or someone else's right to come here and learn about cattle. Or even to learn about BSE. Your infiltration of this site and your repulsive, kooky, long-winded copy and paste garbage on every thread involving BSE is interfering with people learning about the disease. So here's a quick lesson for them:

BSE is not a disease of any statistical significance from a human health or animal health standpoint. Period! It is really only important as relates to trade issues. Or cattlemen's association membership issues. In other words, it's primarily about money. We still have the safest food supply in the World. Period!

That doesn't mean that BSE is not important, but all of the scare tactics and crap you post isn't doing your agenda any good. Because nobody's listening. I think you should take it to a fruitcake vegan site. Where you belong.

 

[buckaroo_bif]

I think flounders brain has been seriously affected by avian flu.

 

[Texan]

I think flounders brain has been seriously affected by avian flu.

I think you're right, bif. But I really feel sorry for the bird that had to get close enough to give it to him.

 

[buckaroo_bif]

I seriously doubt bse will ever reach pandemic proportions.
Bird flu is a much more serious threat worldwide.
Eat beef burn the chickens I say!

 

[buckaroo_bif]

Poor flounder ate too much chicken last night.

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[buckaroo_bif]

Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy (BSE, or

“Mad Cow Disease”): Current and Proposed

Safeguards

Updated October 13, 2005

Geoffrey S. Becker

Specialist in Agricultural Policy

Resources, Science and Industry Division

Sarah A. Lister

Specialist in Public Health and Epidemiology

Domestic Social Policy Division



http://www.ncseonline.org/NLE/CRSreport ... L32199.pdf



TSS

more wasted space fishead

 

[txag]

one other thing, flounder.............it's not necessary to post the same thing on separate boards! :x

 

[Oldtimer]

Texan quote:
BSE is not a disease of any statistical significance from a human health or animal health standpoint. Period!

I would bet the English would disagree with you...

Doesn't seem like the USDA/NCBA/AMI/Packers have done very well in convincing the Asians either...

Texan- What is USDA/NCBA's stance on the Asian export market- something like "we need to educate them thar dumb Japanese folk to our way of thinking" :???: ;-) :lol:

 

[Texan]

Do the math, OT. E. Coli is a lot bigger human health problem. Heck, I bet choking on chicken bones is a lot bigger human health problem. The American consumer has demonstrated that they don't care about BSE. I know you and flounder are big buddies, but you protectionists and anti-beef alarmists can only milk this thing for so long. :lol:

 

[Oldtimer]

Do the math, OT. E. Coli is a lot bigger human health problem. Heck, I bet choking on chicken bones is a lot bigger human health problem. The American consumer has demonstrated that they don't care about BSE. I know you and flounder are big buddies, but you protectionists and anti-beef alarmists can only milk this thing for so long. :lol:

Texan- In England the tests done on tonsils removed from patients indicate there could easily be thousands infected by the deformed prion - that could be waiting timebombs for the vCJD to progress on 5-10-20 years from now...

The American consumer blindly puts its trust in the government (USDA and FDA) to protect them and doesn't have time to question the small stuff...But as we who are in the business and follow them much more closely can see with all the current revelations of USDA foul-ups, blunders, bloopers, coverups, and possible outright fraud there is quite a chance the decisions they have made could be erroneous.....Many of the decisions made by the USDA since Canada found the disease have gone against what was recommended by their own TSE council and many TSE experts worldwide.....

Why will the USDA not allow Creekstone to test? Why will they now not let the Japanese to test at their own cost?

Why, when we find the second native BSE case, is USDA stopping the testing program?

How much beef will be sold in the US if 5-10 years from now someone dies from vCJD and USDA's Corporate economy driven science is proven wrong? If there is a chance for error when dealing with public safety, you should err on the side of safety...

 

[WORANCH]

Why will they now not let the Japanese to test at their own cost?
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Oldtimer do you have a link to this ? I would like to pass this on to someone.

 

[Oldtimer]

Why will they now not let the Japanese to test at their own cost?
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Oldtimer do you have a link to this ? I would like to pass this on to someone.

WORanch- heres one article from Japan- altho it doesn't outright say so, it indicates the Japanese have requested testing and been denied since it comes from a Japanese paper...

I believe from people I have talked to that the USDA has not been completely open and forthcoming with everyone about their talks with Japan......Sad when a US government Agency has created such a history to make its credibility totally null...



Comments from the Japan Daily News.US should let JPN inspect US BEEF(Mar 19 2006 - 02:32) Rate Post


U.S. Agriculture Secretary Mike Johanns, who compares automobile and beaf, is totally wrong.

If a car has a defect, we would not drive it. Then our safety can be ensured. But if we import BSE-infected US beaf, they will be distributed to the restaurants and fast-food chains all over our nation. Then, we will never know which beaf we are eating.

Most of the Japanese are determind not to buy US beaf at meat shops or supermarkets even if Japanese govt lifts its import ban. That is for sure. But if we have no way of knowing which beaf our restaurants and hamburger shops are using, we cannot protect ourselves.

Thats why "why dont you let the consumers decide?" argument has no legitimacy.

If the US really wants to sell US beaf to Japan, US should be more cautious about our concerns.
Why dont you let Japanese inspectors inspect all the US beaf that will be exported to Japan? (dont worry! we dont inspect beaf for US consumers).

Japanese govt says we will pay all the cost for the inspection. Then why does US govt refuse it? Are you hinding something, or afraid that more BSE beaf would be discovered?

US govt and Congress should know the fact that Japanese consumers would never be convinced the safety of US beaf as long as you refuse Japanese inspection in the US.

 

[Texan]

LOL, OT. To be honest with you, I think I'll pass on worrying about the Brit tonsils for a while. Meaningless info to me. Conspiracy theorists and medical researchers can find all sorts of junk-science based reasons to support whatever crap they want to support. So I'm just not gonna worry about tonsils, testicles or anything else removed from any of the Brits.

Simple why Creekstone isn't allowed to test. And you already know the answer. It's because the anti-beef bunch would use that to call into question the safety of domestic beef that isn't tested. I can just hear kooks like flounder now, "Why do we test all cattle for the Japanese, but not for our own citizens?"

We can't afford for that to happen and the only way out of that would be to test everything. You've been in this business long enough to know that we're price-takers and all costs will be handed back down to us at the cow-calf level. In spite of what is said. No reason to test everything, so I don't want to pay for it.

I agree with you that the announcement to cut back on testing was poorly timed. It's my hope that it was only a trade negotiating ploy. An opportunity to announce later that we won't cut back on testing just to appease our Pacific Rim trade partners. But I don't really know the reason. If that's not the reason, stupidity would get my vote.

Granted, the USDA doesn't do everything right. But neither do they do everything wrong like some of you would have consumers believe. The bottom line is that our domestic consumers trust USDA. I think that's a good thing, but apparently some of you don't. It's my opinion that we need to build on that consumer trust---not work to destroy it and have to start over.

 

[Oldtimer]

Simple why Creekstone isn't allowed to test. And you already know the answer. It's because the anti-beef bunch would use that to call into question the safety of domestic beef that isn't tested. I can just hear kooks like flounder now, "Why do we test all cattle for the Japanese, but not for our own citizens?"



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If that is the case then Texan-- Why aren't the consumers screaming for the same meat as we give Japan then-- guaranteed under 20 month- with a much more restrictive SRM removal?...How come they haven't jumped on all the different rules for different countries we have under the BEV program...We have different SRM removal for different countries- most more restrictive than whats for US consumers....

If under 20 month is the sound science we use for Japan- why are we using under 30 month for the sound science of importing beef and cattle from Canada?

Right now the USDA offers consumers Halal beef, Kosher beef, Organic beef, all natural beef, etc. etc. etc. Most of these cost a premium... What is wrong with allowing Creekstone and some of the small packers to offer BSE tested? We could have been selling beef to Japan for 2 years now and it might open the market to those that are eating none now......

As the new NCBA prez has stated- every animal slaughtered while the export markets are closed is costing the producer $175...Over 2 years that would have tested a lot of beef.....

USDA's and NCBA's "sound science" has turned into "joke science" :lol:

 

[frenchie]

Hey Flounder if you so damm smart..Answer this question...


Tell me flounder how many confirmed people died from Human form of Mad cow diease in Great Britian compared to deaths resulting from Auto -accidents.

 

[flounder]

i see my postings on bse deleted here as well.
you have proven my point to the world now, thanks.
your censoring and attack on me for simply posting science
here about bse shows the world that indeed you have covered up mad cow disease and you dont want to know the truth.
i expect this to be deleted as well. but from the emails i have gotten from folks on this board, some do want the truth. but by you censoring me, your loss. ...

TSS

 

[mitchwi]

Flounder, this is a Q & A Discussion board. Not a copy and paste board. If you want to discuss an article, post the link... and state your opinion or ask for others. That is one thing, but the way you copy and paste articles is another.....I can't tell where your copy and paste stops and starts and your comments begin and end.

Do not generalize... not a good communication tool. Just remember, if you want your voice to be heard, you need to listen also.

BSE is cared about..... by more than you think, but you have probably offended more people than gained by your generalizations.

 

[Bama]

Flounder, this is a Q & A Discussion board. Not a copy and paste board. If you want to discuss an article, post the link... and state your opinion or ask for others. That is one thing, but the way you copy and paste articles is another.....I can't tell where your copy and paste stops and starts and your comments begin and end.

Do not generalize... not a good communication tool. Just remember, if you want your voice to be heard, you need to listen also.

BSE is cared about..... by more than you think, but you have probably offended more people than gained by your generalizations.

Very well said. I couldn't agree more.

 

[Karl]

You know I get tired of the long posts from the anti beef, BSE fear mongering Beef industry opponents out there, hey R-calfers, dont hold in your farts any more, they seem to go to your head and thats what leads to all these long winded jokes for posts you call good information.
You BSE fear mongerors just need to stop, we are tired of you draging our great industry through the mud. Just stop please, just stop.

 

[Oldtimer]

You know I get tired of the long posts from the anti beef, BSE fear mongering Beef industry opponents out there, hey R-calfers, dont hold in your farts any more, they seem to go to your head and thats what leads to all these long winded jokes for posts you call good information.
You BSE fear mongerors just need to stop, we are tired of you draging our great industry through the mud. Just stop please, just stop.

Karl- You must be an NCBA member since you don't want to see all sides of the issue- only what the Corporate leadership allows your leaders to tell you ;-) ...

As far as myself I want to see both sides, altho I do usually post only the ones I believe in...I see no one keeping you from posting your version- except sometimes with NCBA's flipflops it is hard to remember their stand for that day :lol: ....

The good thing about this country is that while we all salute the same flag we don't all beat the same drum......