Hereford Mafia

[KMacGinley]

Do any of you guys know of some good Horned Hereford cows or heifers for sale? I think I might like to have a few.

 

[DOC HARRIS]

Do any of you guys know of some good Horned Hereford cows or heifers for sale? I think I might like to have a few.

Hi, Mac!

Just out of curiosity - do you plan them for breeding or Recipients?

DOC HARRIS

 

[Santas and Duhram Reds]

Doc, I am sure others will disagree or even get upset with the comment I am about to make but why woud you specify a Hereford cow for a recip cow when you could pick from any breed, or even any old cow for the job.

 

[Brandonm22]

First of all if the calf comes out with a white face you don't have to waste any money DNA testing that calf to see if it is your Angus embryo. Black baldie females typically sell for a premium. Black baldie steers do well in most markets too. Herefords are Bos Taurus so daylight expression of estrous makes them easier too heat detect than your Bos Indicus based cattle. KMcGinley has low input Angus cattle so Herefords won't require a higher plane of nutrition than his existing herd. Why would you put a valuable embryo into a wore out old cow who might not hold up another year? If you don't like the natural calves a cow is having why trust her as an E.T. recip????

 

[DOC HARRIS]

Doc, I am sure others will disagree or even get upset with the comment I am about to make but why woud you specify a Hereford cow for a recip cow when you could pick from any breed, or even any old cow for the job.

Santas and Duhram Reds-

Your being a Hereford breeder, I think that you are too close to the forest to see the trees, and I fear that you are carrying your feelings on your sleeves! I meant no slight to the Hereford breed, AT ALL, by my question. You, of all people, should know that the Hereford cow (a high quality Hereford Cow particularly) makes one of the most desirable recepient cows one could find. To find a docil, experienced ( two or three calves ), Hereford Dam with a firm udder, small to medium sized teats (which many Hereford cows possess), usually have no problem with calving to most other breeds, good milking, protective mothers, consistent breeders who breed back regularly, are easy to work around in the winter without fear of being pursued by a fractious momma-cow, and usually have desirable "functional" traits (sound feet and legs, sturdy bone, good body capacity and easy keeping, averaging an 1100# - 1250# mature weight, allowing for higher profit in dollar savings per cow [Cow Energy Value -$EN]. The recipient cow shoud CERTAINLY possess the Phenotype of one with a strong spine, or top line, deep bodied with adequate capacity to allow for embryonic growth, and a history of calving ease. What more could a breeder ask for in his Recipient cows to utilize for either a Registered Herd, or for a Crossbreeding building program?? ...OR... for building a crossbred, high heterosis program for RETAINING Recipient cows? It is my opinion that Black Baldys are one of the most desirable type cows for use as breeders (momma's)! They are well-known for their Heterosis and Complimentarity. I would certainly desire to have my "Calf Producers" be strong, vigorous, long-lived, and with mothering ability to keep my health expenses down and my production up! These traits are in vogue whether they are having Registered calves, or Crossbred calves, or potential replacement heifers, or feedlot calves, or Club calves to be shown. Their Genetic EPD's have NO direct influence on the resulting calves that AI has allowed them to produce. However, the above factors which I have mentioned ARE critical in the RAISING of those calves which the recipients produce - docility, milk production, natural immunity, easy calving, easy fleshing ( to allow their feed intake to be available to the CALF, AND NOT JUST TO SUSTAIN THE MOMMA COW - feed efficiency qualities.

With all due respect to whatever your Breeding Cow selection protocols may be, under absolutely NO circumstances would I ever use "...any old cow" for the job of producing calves which I plan to either market through the feedlot, OR keep for replacements OR DONORS!

The University of South Dakota Cooperative Extension Service has published a paper on "Embryo Transfer in Beef Cattle" wherein they state the following:

The selection of recipient cows is very important but is sometimes underemphasized. Even though the surrogate (recipient) contributes NO genetic material to the offspring, she does exert important maternal environmental influences which affect the physical make-up (phenotype) of the calf. For example, her milk production will affect calf weaning weight. There is also a maternal environmental effect calf birth. Cows with reproductive problems or low calf weaning weights should not be used as recepient cows.

http://ars.sdstate.edu/BeefExt/ExEx/ex2001.htm

I won't "pick from ANY breed, or just any old cow for the job!"

S & DR - I like some Herefords too, but for perhaps different reasons than you. Every "type" and every "breed" has its place in the overall scheme of things. That's why GOD put them here! It is up to us to be intelligent enough and perceptive enough to know HOW to utilize and expedite HIS gifts!

DOC HARRIS

 

[Santas and Duhram Reds]

Brandon: I wasn't thinking about KM already having an anugs herd for some reason, but there are other breeds that he could still identify other than Hereford with a bald face. Also, why does he specify horned for recipients.

Doc: Look at my handle. Based on my handle, do you think I raise herefords?

 

[DOC HARRIS]

Brandon: I wasn't thinking about KM already having an anugs herd for some reason, but there are other breeds that he could still identify other than Hereford with a bald face. Also, why does he specify horned for recipients.

Doc: Look at my handle. Based on my handle, do you think I raise herefords?

Obviously not! I must have eaten too much this week-end!

DOC HARRIS

 

[I luv herfrds]

www.ngrsbulls.com

Hope thats the right address.

 

[LazyARanch]

http://www.ngrbulls.com


(1 too many S's cris! ;-) )

 

[KMacGinley]

Do any of you guys know of some good Horned Hereford cows or heifers for sale? I think I might like to have a few.

Hi, Mac!

Just out of curiosity - do you plan them for breeding or Recipients?

DOC HARRIS

Breeding Doc, I miss my Herfs! :) I checked out DeeWall family herefords and found a bull that I like pretty well and he has the Knersie stamp of approval. Ohlde cross black baldies may be in the future.

 

[KMacGinley]

Brandon: I wasn't thinking about KM already having an anugs herd for some reason, but there are other breeds that he could still identify other than Hereford with a bald face. Also, why does he specify horned for recipients.

Doc: Look at my handle. Based on my handle, do you think I raise herefords?

Obviously not! I must have eaten too much this week-end!

DOC HARRIS

That fine Italian steak house Doc?

 

[KMacGinley]

http://www.ngrbulls.com


(1 too many S's cris! ;-) )

I checked them out last night, Hereford 76 aren't they? What a fine looking group of cattle! Montana is pretty far away though.

 

[CPL]

Doc: Look at my handle. Based on my handle, do you think I raise herefords?

What Doc was trying to say is that you SHOULD be raising Herefords! ;-)

 

[Santas and Duhram Reds]

Thanks but no thanks. To each his own. My nephew's wife's family raises Herfs (Gregory Herefords in Houstonia, MO) If I want to see some I'll just go over there.

I like the looks of the Hereford and nothing is cuter than a Hereford calf, I would cross with them, but that is about as far as I will go.

 

[jerry27150]

www.wieseandsons.com iowa / jones hereford ranch missouri 660 327-4500

 

[Hereford76]

Do any of you guys know of some good Horned Hereford cows or heifers for sale? I think I might like to have a few.

Hi, Mac!

Just out of curiosity - do you plan them for breeding or Recipients?

DOC HARRIS

Breeding Doc, I miss my Herfs! :) I checked out DeeWall family herefords and found a bull that I like pretty well and he has the Knersie stamp of approval. Ohlde cross black baldies may be in the future.

So did you get one bought or just found one you like? (by the way, I ask purely out of curiosity as those cattle are interesting - not trying to sell you anything.... as i'm sure I would never get that stamp of approval) I wish those guys would have kept the registrations up on their colo dominos.

 

[I luv herfrds]

:oops: :oops: :oops:
Sorry. Guess that is what happens when your in a rush.
Pretty tough cattle H76 has to live in the area they are in and do as well as they do.

 

[KMacGinley]

So did you get one bought or just found one you like? (by the way, I ask purely out of curiosity as those cattle are interesting - not trying to sell you anything.... as i'm sure I would never get that stamp of approval) I wish those guys would have kept the registrations up on their colo dominos.[/quote]

I haven't sent a check yet, but we are talking... I checked out your website and liked what I saw there as well.