Hereford Guys

[Arkieman]

I have one registered hereford cow and 6 angus cows and 3 angus heifer calves. All the cows are AI bred to Angus bull SAF Directive. Currently we do not own a bull, AI only. EVENTUALLY we want to raise black baldies. Was thinking of AI'ing the hereford cow to a hereford bull and hope for a "potential" herd bull. I have the cow's pedigree and would like suggestions about which AI bull would provide the best "herd bull" potential on some 1100-1200 pound angus cows?

Thanks in advance.

 

[alexfarms]

http://www.herfnet.com/online/cgi-bin/i ... 4241404F2C
Just as well try to market my own. This bull is one of the best to come from one of the most proven and objectively selected performance programs in existence in any breed. We have semen at $20 per unit (plus shipping) and $50 per certificate(if you choose to register). Unfortunately, we don't have sexed semen, so you will have to take your chances on the calf sex.

If you wish to go polled I have this: http://www.herfnet.com/online/cgi-bin/i ... 4241404F2D
He is at $50 per straw and $30 per cert. Plus shipping. Either of these bulls will sire practical cattle, if that is what you desire. The polled bull will sire some of the best tasting beef calves you will get. I haven't slaughtered any calves from the horned sire. I wish you well.

Also, my address is no longer in nebraska, I am now near Gypsum, KS. The semen would still be shipped from Hawkeye.

 

[greenwillowhereford II]

MSU MF Hudson 19H or Oxley Mark Domino 8020. I also like Alexfarms' cattle.

 

[jscunn]

From what I have heard progeny of Sander's Bond D50 can be alittle dry, milk wise. Something to consider, maybe?

 

[KMacGinley]

You might contact Herefords.us he has good cattle.

 

[Herefords.US]

You might contact Herefords.us he has good cattle.

Thanks for the compliment, Mac!

Although I'm not a total believer in EPDs, in looking at the actual BW percentages of this cow and her only recorded calf, the bulls that I have semen on aren't a very good match - with the goal being a bull to use on 1100-1200 pound cows.

In my opinion, Arkieman, you need to breed her to a proven curve bending bull with a low BW EPD and high YW EPD, plus adequate milk - if you're thinking of keeping replacement females.

Two bulls that I'd recommend would be Harland for a horned bull and Rib Eye for a polled bull. Both have semen available through ABS. And John's (alexfarms) 97349 bull would be a very good choice as well. I have a daughter of his bull that I like very much.

George

 

[KMacGinley]

I guess that what I was thinking is that it may be better for you to buy a bull, you won't want to breed your cow's calf back to her and since we have no picture, it is impossible (for us) to make a judgement on whether you would want to save a son from her. If you went ahead and bought a good bull, from someone like Herefords.us you would be set for a couple of years anyway and probably be ahead genetically as well.

 

[Arkieman]

Two bulls that I'd recommend would be Harland for a horned bull and Rib Eye for a polled bull. Both have semen available through ABS. And John's (alexfarms) 97349 bull would be a very good choice as well. I have a daughter of his bull that I like very much.
George

I had another local guy suggest Harland. IF bred to Harland and was lucky enough to get a nice looking bull would there be a 50/50 chance he'd be horned? Also if that calf developed into a herd bull and I bred him to the Angus cows, could I possibly have horned offspring?

Thanks for all the suggestions

 

[greenwillowhereford II]

Two bulls that I'd recommend would be Harland for a horned bull and Rib Eye for a polled bull. Both have semen available through ABS. And John's (alexfarms) 97349 bull would be a very good choice as well. I have a daughter of his bull that I like very much.
George

I had another local guy suggest Harland. IF bred to Harland and was lucky enough to get a nice looking bull would there be a 50/50 chance he'd be horned? Also if that calf developed into a herd bull and I bred him to the Angus cows, could I possibly have horned offspring?

Thanks for all the suggestions

The polled gene is dominant, and when using a horned bull on polled cows, only one time have we ever had horned offspring. If the cow is homozygous polled, the chances of horned calves are nearly zero. The chances of horned offspring from real Angus cows is very slim also.

Churchill Yankee would be another great choice IMO. Or a JMS Victor bull.

 

[Herefords.US]

I had another local guy suggest Harland. IF bred to Harland and was lucky enough to get a nice looking bull would there be a 50/50 chance he'd be horned? Also if that calf developed into a herd bull and I bred him to the Angus cows, could I possibly have horned offspring?

Thanks for all the suggestions

If your cow is homozygous polled and, looking at her pedigree, I'm betting that she is - all her calves will be polled regardless of what bull she is bred to -because the polled gene in the dominant gene. However, any bull out of her and a horned bull will pass the horned gene to his calves about 50% of the time because he will have a recessive horned gene or be heterozygous polled. But bred to purebred Angus cows, who are homozygous polled, all his calves will be polled - again because polled is dominant. About half of those calves will carry the recessive horned gene, or be heterozygous polled. The other half will be homozygous polled.

When two heterozygous polled animals are bred to each other, about 25% of their offspring will be horned, and the other 75% polled. Of the 75% polled, about 2/3 will be heterozygous polled, like their parents, and the remaining 1/3 will be homozygous polled.

Clear as mud? :roll:

George

 

[jscunn]

Arkieman,
Have you had the chance to see the sire or dam of your Hereford female? Strengths weaknesses of all three individuals (cow, sire, and dam) need to be considered before you make a decision on what to breed her to. I would be very interested in how the sire looks considering he was born on our farm. He left here with his dam and was sold in a sale in Mississippi. So if you have any knowledge of how H822 is please let me know.

 

[Arkieman]

Arkieman,
Have you had the chance to see the sire or dam of your Hereford female? Strengths weaknesses of all three individuals (cow, sire, and dam) need to be considered before you make a decision on what to breed her to. I would be very interested in how the sire looks considering he was born on our farm. He left here with his dam and was sold in a sale in Mississippi. So if you have any knowledge of how H822 is please let me know.

No, I've not seen either sire or dam. We bought her at a local Hereford sale. The folks we bought her from may know. Farm is Waldo Wilson & Sons in Mt. Ida, AR