Hay Payment Scam

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Beware Of Hay Payment Scam

Jul 17, 2007 3:22 PM


North Carolina hay growers have notified the North Carolina Department of Agriculture & Consumer Services (NCDA&CS) about a possible scam connected to hay payments. Posing as a hay buyer, the scammer sends a fake cashier's check, made out for several thousand dollars more than the agreed-upon selling price, as payment for hay. Then the buyer claims he made a mistake and asks the seller to wire the difference back to him. The victim deposits the check and the bank credits his account. He assumes the check has cleared and wires the requested funds. But the check bounces, and the bank reduces his account by the wired amount, sometimes cleaning out the account and leaving a negative balance.

"We felt we should at least let our growers know that the problem was out there," says Brian Long of NCDA&CS. "A number of North Carolina farmers were contacted, but most figured out that something wasn't quite right. It's sort of like the hay version of some email scams."

According to Long, there are several ways to spot a scam: Communication from the buyer usually has multiple misspellings, poor grammar and typically looks like a form letter. A scammer will typically send a 'check' to the seller and pressure him to deposit it quickly and send the refund. These scams most often originate overseas, but accomplices may be located in the U.S. "We do encourage our growers who might be selling hay through the Internet or by phone to check up on the buyer any way they can," says Long.

The NCDA&CS Web site is a place for hay buyers and sellers to connect. "We try to match people who need hay with those who have hay to offer by providing the online meeting place," says Long. "Then it is up to the buyers and sellers to negotiate." Hay ads are free and out-of-state ads are welcome.

Long says the site has been particularly helpful this summer because it hasn't been a good one for hay production in North Carolina. Like in much of the South, the state's growers were hurt by the Easter weekend freeze. "What started with the impact of the late freeze has been compounded by dry conditions throughout the state," Long says. "We have a lot of animal agriculture in the state and a lot of animals that depend on forage crops. The dry weather is making many farmers nervous." While the whole state is dry, western counties have been especially hard hit.

Visit the NCDA&CS Web site at http://www.ncagr.com/HayAlert/index.htm. Contact Long at 919-733-4216.
 
That's some good information. Anytime you put something up for sale on the internet you are taking a risk of someone trying to rip you off.
 
Was talking to a friend who is in the hay business yesterday. He said he called a guy from central Alabama that had a bunch of good bermuda hay for sale at $25/roll. :?: Man said to send a check for the hay plus freight which came to about $48/roll. Man also said he could put 48 rolls on a flatbed. :?:

Friend said he wanted all he had BUT he would come get it himself and he wanted to come this weekend and look at it before he sent the trucks.

Fella must of fell off the earth. Can't seem to get in touch with him now. :roll:

By the way, how are you folks in Alabama situated for hay?
 
Jogeephus":3veyn7u9 said:
Was talking to a friend who is in the hay business yesterday. He said he called a guy from central Alabama that had a bunch of good bermuda hay for sale at $25/roll. :?: Man said to send a check for the hay plus freight which came to about $48/roll. Man also said he could put 48 rolls on a flatbed. :?:

Friend said he wanted all he had BUT he would come get it himself and he wanted to come this weekend and look at it before he sent the trucks.

Fella must of fell off the earth. Can't seem to get in touch with him now. :roll:

By the way, how are you folks in Alabama situated for hay?

Not good. Some guys haven't cut anything yet.
 
The number of "scam" offers to buy are as varied as there are products out there...hay and livestock are no exception.

All of the hay we have bought, locally or out of the area has been C.O.D., FOB destination. Only ONE instance of a 10% advance deposit required for a semi-load of hay from Canada.

In no way should anyone send full payment for any agricultural (or other) product that is of "unknown" quality/quantity (unlike usual manufactured products). A deposit to show "good faith"...OK...after checking things out and talking with the seller.

Always work directly with the original seller...NEVER consider ANY deal where a "third party" is to be paid all or part. And, NEVER even consider or accept any deal for more than what your selling price is with a request for a "refund" to seller.

Amazing how many humans are STILL not cognizant of these very common scams out there, considering all the publicity about them from news media, internet warnings, etc.

Most, but not all, of these scams are the result of the Nigerian internet spam cartels which are getting very clever in using a variety of e-mail addresses, "US of A sounding peoples names", etc. The DEAD giveaway lies in the senders name, subject line, and message. Do our "normal honest USA people" write or talk like that...NOT. The final clue is their poor command of English language, spelling, salutations and greetings that people just don't use in the US of A (or other "honest" countries).
 
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