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The most knowledgable(IMO) cattlemen and women that I am acquainted with agree that a high tailhead is related to several undesirable situations including calving difficulty. With this in mind, why are we seeing more and more sway-backed, high tailheaded cattle being pictured and promoted? :( :help: :stop: I might add that the more show cattle the outfit produces, the more prevalent this problem is.
 
Can you post a picture so I may see just exactly you are referring to.
 
Actually had one person tell me that a high tailhead helps keep the tail out of the way when the bull mounts the cow. As for the calving difficulty I'm not sure. My cow really doesn't have a very high tailhead, but it's larger than what I'd like and she hasn't had any calving problems. I definitely don't like the trait though.
 
It seems the more compacity a cow has the more this will show up.I don't like the trait and I'm working on correcting it in some of my cattle,but I haven't had to many problems with it so far.

I bought a little group of comm. heifers from Ohlde's a couple years ago one of them was just freaky full of guts,sway backed,and a high tail head even as a yearling.I picked her just because I wanted to see what she would do,as I had never seen a heifer with that much compacity.All last summer every time I saw her I thought I was pretty stupid for buying her and I probabley was,but she is hog fat with a very fat growthy calf this year.I don't know if I will keep any heifers out of her,but if she holds up with her faults a few years, she will more than likly be one of our most profitable comm. cows.
 
EAT BEEF":37gck2o4 said:
It seems the more compacity a cow has the more this will show up.I don't like the trait and I'm working on correcting it in some of my cattle,but I haven't had to many problems with it so far.

I bought a little group of comm. heifers from Ohlde's a couple years ago one of them was just freaky full of guts,sway backed,and a high tail head even as a yearling.I picked her just because I wanted to see what she would do,as I had never seen a heifer with that much compacity.All last summer every time I saw her I thought I was pretty stupid for buying her and I probabley was,but she is hog fat with a very fat growthy calf this year.I don't know if I will keep any heifers out of her,but if she holds up with her faults a few years, she will more than likly be one of our most profitable comm. cows.
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What is compacity?

I think there is a correlation with a high tail and muscle.
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I tend to agree, at least in the hereford breed the thicker muscled cattle seems more prone to have a higher tailhead, whether it is just more prevalent in those bloodlines or whether the muscle pattern forces the tailhead up, I don't know.

A swayback is something completely different in my opinion.

I doubt the negatives associated with a swayback and tilted up rump will be caused by only a high tailhead if the pins are still lower than the hooks and the spine is level and sound.

Actually had one person tell me that a high tailhead helps keep the tail out of the way when the bull mounts the cow
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I haven't seen a tail get in the way of a horny bull yet :lol2:
 
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I am refering more specifically to the angled rump combined with the sway back, and the sway back concerns me most of all. I don't have a pic to post at the moment. I do have a cow with a high tail set minus the other problem. She does have tremendous capacity IMO, and has certainly never had a problem calving.
 
I think rump angle may be more breed specific. Certain breeds have more than others as a general rule. For some breeds it is not acceptable for others no big deal. I look at hook to pin angle.
As far as tail bone height I prefer less but only see it as cosmetic. I have never seen anything associating high tail set with amount of muscle.
Sway back is not acceptable on anything.
 
EAT BEEF":1u9ete8s said:
ANAZAZI":1u9ete8s said:
Maybe capacity?
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Thanks ANAZAZI
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greenwillowhereford II":xv8ublwv said:
The most knowledgable(IMO) cattlemen and women that I am acquainted with agree that a high tailhead is related to several undesirable situations including calving difficulty. With this in mind, why are we seeing more and more sway-backed, high tailheaded cattle being pictured and promoted? :( :help: :stop: I might add that the more show cattle the outfit produces, the more prevalent this problem is.
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I don't know if it hurts reproduction, etc., but I don't especially like the high tailhead look on cattle.
 
Ned Jr and knersie, I'm pretty sure they bull up the tailhead hair to add a square look to the hindquarter and a level rump. I'm sure some show cattle people could add more.
 
CPL":36vq0qoa said:
Ned Jr and knersie, I'm pretty sure they bull up the tailhead hair to add a square look to the hindquarter and a level rump. I'm sure some show cattle people could add more.
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That much I understand, what I don't understand is when its taken to the extreme making the tailhead look like a baboon's tail. I'll try and find a pic of what I am referring too.
 
This is what I am referring too.

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Generally you don't see so much color difference when they're clipped that way, but with red cattle, it's always more obvious.

The reason they clip and glue that way is to square up the rump. I agree, it does look strange on that particular calf, because of the color variation. If you can look at it without seeing that, it does make the rounded muscling of the rump look more square.

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Here's a heifer with a high tail head.
 

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