Greetings with a cow down :(

Sidi84

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Hello everbody like to introduce myself. Never been good at it but I will do my best, and I also have a sick steer calf I need some help with.
Well I was born and raised in Elkhart,IN graduated from Concord High School and moved out on my own by 18. Joined the United States Army Active Duty by a month before turning 23 in 2007 ,and served 4 years active and completed 1 tour in Afghanistan from March 2010-March 2011 and now im IRR (inactive ready reserve) for my remander of 4 more years. I havnt got a job lined up yet so Im living with my parents in lower Michigan area, but putting full days of work on their farm/property. Any other questions about myself just ask :)

My parents have 6 steer calfs breeds are 4 holstien and 2 Normandy.
The sick calf is a holstien
They have 15 acres of propery.
They have about a 2 acres pasture for grazing but most of their food is supplemented by a little feed grain but mostly hay.
Hay consists of 50% alfalfa 50% timothy hay.
Their barn isnt very large so the area where the steer eat and like to come in and sleep is limited so that increases risk of dieases by contamination due to droppings. I went out and bought some more rubber mats for them and layed em and built an elevated feeding trough to keep their hay from getting conaminated by their own waste. (Cow was down before all this). Sanitation was an issue i dont blame my parents to hard for it cause they work full time at irregular times so cleaning was an issue. They were using their own feeding hay as bedding which im sure was not a good idea because they steer might eat it. I fixed that solution by buying a proffestional chipper/mulcher and I have chipped enough wood from non rotting trees to provide for bedding for the next 6 months which we started to lay after the steer went down. So the problem couldnt have been anything in the chips. The chips have now made it at least a 100% easier to clean out the barn and provide better sanitation. I spent 3 hours in the barn with shovel and pitchfork and dug down through all the layers of dirty hay and soaked earth and cleaned it out. Layed the rubber mats and put in the new feed trough.
The symptoms of the steer are unusal for my parnents since theve been sick before... distinctive like diahrea and so forth but this is not...here they are.

Calf wont get up/to weak to stand
Has no fever
No runny nose
Its fecal matter is perfectly fine no diahrea or blood in it
It will eat hay and feed if we place it up front of it
We have been providing water through a calf bottle
No uncordinated movement
No soars
No convulsions
Has been down for 3 days as of this post
Other calfs are healthy and not showing signs of sickness

We cant figure out what its sick with cause the only symptom is just to weak to stand. My mother has been a nurse for over 20 years and she may not be a vet but she has a general idea of what to look for and I do have enough sence to look for certain signs.
Im almost postive the calf became sick from contamination thats why explained what all ive done to prevent new occurences.
The other reason why im asking for help is because my parents dont want to load the steer up with antibiotics because they want to raise them as organic as possible. Unfortuanly my mother has given up on the calf, but me and my father think he has a chance if we can solve the problem. If antibiotics is the solution to keeping the calf alive I will go out my self and buy it for the calf even though they dont want me to spend any more of my money on the farm. I dont want to sound like im talking bad about my parnets.... they are both amazing people just times are hard and they are getting old and its basically depressed them. Im glad I just got home from the army to help them out and raise their spirits. I look forward for some answers and questions because I need some help

Thank you
I look forward for some answers so I can fix the problem.
 
Check with a local LA (large animal) vet in your area.

You also never mentioned what body condition the calf was in, whether it's healthy or thin or getting thinner. You also never mentioned whether he's coughing, has laboured breathing, eyes dull, etc.

He could also be down because he's lacking mineral. Do the calves have constant access to mineral, and what kind of mineral are you feeding, if you have any?
 
The calf is nice and fat (not bloated) for his age and it dosnt look like he is loosing any wieght.
No airway issues of any kind i.e. coughing ,breathing problems, flem, or anything unusual or out of placeand his eyes look fine.
Ive looked this cow up and down ,rolled him partially over to see every angle of him for any other signs of sickness but the only symptom so f ar is the inability to stand. Just talked to my parents and found out he was sick a couple months ago with the same thing but he had diahrea and they gave him anitbiotics. I havnt seen any bad stools from this cow and im helping my parents out by cleaning the barn out everyday so no bad stools that ive seen...yet. The feed they are given is supposed to have the full spectrem of minerals need for the steer. Parents decided just now to give him a dose of antibiotics tommow I think so see what happens ,but im still curious about what he has, and im sure he got sick from twice from an unclean enviroment.
 
Temp is ?
From across the screen it sounds like pneumonia , get to an LA vet for some Nuflor or Resfor asap.

Welcome to the boards. :welcome:
 
hillsdown":1jgynctx said:
From across the screen it sounds like pneumonia , get to an LA vet for some Nuflor or Resfor asap.

From what I know the OP didn't mention any symptoms that sounded like pneumonia, from what I've had experience with from the steers we had. Or maybe I'm missing something. :???:
 
IluvABbeef":2vedlvpx said:
hillsdown":2vedlvpx said:
From across the screen it sounds like pneumonia , get to an LA vet for some Nuflor or Resfor asap.

From what I know the OP didn't mention any symptoms that sounded like pneumonia, from what I've had experience with from the steers we had. Or maybe I'm missing something. :???:

Just thinking out loud but under temp is indicative if pneumonia ,so no temp can be just as bad as high temp. hard to tell form across the screen , that is why I suggest nuflor, brood spectrum antibiotic that can help with many problems JIC.
 
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How old is the calf? If you have been getting warm days and cool nights then it could be pneumonia, but you will most likely hear a little wheezing when the calf is breathing. Age of the calf could help line up a few more ideas for you. Sorry to hear it, but try to keep fluids and food in him.
 
Shot of Nuflor, Draxxin, pick one, shot of Banamane, shot of B-Vit, and get his body temp up, even an old blanket, etc., immune system won't work with low body temp. Make sure to keep hydrated.
Seen it many times.
 
It sounds like it could be subacute white muscle disease. Could be as simple as a selenium deficiency, when i was living in Ohio we had major problems with.
 
Just a thought...maybe he was injured in some manner that is preventing him from getting up.

Had a steer a while back that presented same as you are describing. No outward signs of illness but could not get up or stand..he tried if we pushed him but was unable to get his hind legs up under himself. One hind leg felt cold to the touch while the other was warm. We chose (since he was a decent size) to put him down. Upon inspection we found he had a fractured pelvis and hip on the side of the leg that was cold. Luckily we hadn't given antibiotics so we are able to eat him. We did not consider white muscle disease because I know we are selenium deficient so all the cattle recieve Bose shots and have selenium in the minerals provided free choice.
 
hillsdown":3edovagf said:
IluvABbeef":3edovagf said:
hillsdown":3edovagf said:
From across the screen it sounds like pneumonia , get to an LA vet for some Nuflor or Resfor asap.

From what I know the OP didn't mention any symptoms that sounded like pneumonia, from what I've had experience with from the steers we had. Or maybe I'm missing something. :???:

Just thinking out loud but under temp is indicative if pneumonia ,so no temp can be just as bad as high temp. hard to tell form across the screen , that is why I suggest nuflor, brood spectrum antibiotic that can help with many problems JIC.

Here I was being stupid. Completely missed his reply to me, guess I was missing something :bang:

The calf is nice and fat (not bloated) for his age and it dosnt look like he is loosing any wieght.
No airway issues of any kind i.e. coughing ,breathing problems, flem, or anything unusual or out of placeand his eyes look fine.
Ive looked this cow up and down ,rolled him partially over to see every angle of him for any other signs of sickness but the only symptom so f ar is the inability to stand. Just talked to my parents and found out he was sick a couple months ago with the same thing but he had diahrea and they gave him anitbiotics. I havnt seen any bad stools from this cow and im helping my parents out by cleaning the barn out everyday so no bad stools that ive seen...yet. The feed they are given is supposed to have the full spectrem of minerals need for the steer. Parents decided just now to give him a dose of antibiotics tommow I think so see what happens ,but im still curious about what he has, and im sure he got sick from twice from an unclean enviroment.
 
Crazy Farmgirl":lxsyz19o said:
Just a thought...maybe he was injured in some manner that is preventing him from getting up.

With no fever and a what sounds like a good appetite, that came to my mind also.
 
Are the eyes sunk back in his head? The calf sounds dehydrated most likely as just a sympton of the real issue, but make sure you get some water or milk in him.
 

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