Good Grief

[Caustic Burno]

If most of you on this beginners board are our next generation of cattleman Lord help us. Everything from what do I feed old Belle to rammin a camera up their butt because a new piece of hamburger has arrived. Then we have the bunch that starves them to not maintaing herd health. Question have any of ya'll thought about researching a cattle operation before putting the animals through mismanagement at best. Find a mentor learn a little be an asset to the business and the cattle.

 

[MikeC]

Are you trying to say that "Common Sense" is not as common as it once was? :lol:

 

[Caustic Burno]

What common sense .

 

[NewCowboy]

If most of you on this beginners board are our next generation of cattleman Lord help us. Everything from what do I feed old Belle to rammin a camera up their butt because a new piece of hamburger has arrived. Then we have the bunch that starves them to not maintaing herd health. Question have any of ya'll thought about researching a cattle operation before putting the animals through mismanagement at best. Find a mentor learn a little be an asset to the business and the cattle.

I am not quite sure how to take those comments, but I am not offended at all 8) . My son uses this board to ask questions and learn things that are on his mind (he is 11). His questions might not always be brain surgery, but I am very proud of him for taking the initiative. His grandfather has been running cows for over 35 years and is quite the mentor to him and my husband for that matter. So, please be gentle with him if my "NewCowboy" asks a not so grand question to any of the well seasoned folks on this Q & A. (thanks)

On the other hand there is me, the "ramming a camera up their but to get a neat shot" momma to three sons and a husband who are only two years into cattle raising. Hey, if I have to be a part of this, I will do the fun part.... ;-) I document our cows with photos each year with what their babies look like, what they bring, if they were keepers, etc. We don't have registered cows. We just have plain old cows and don't try to seem bigger than we are. If that is new generation craziness, so be it....I like it and enjoy it. I try not to think of the hamburger part, but I always enjoy seeing the $$$ hit the ground running healthy. Not to mention what my children are learning. I know what it is like when someone steps into your business and you think they are doing it all wrong.....like when someone gives my kids their immunizations (I know I could do it better ;-) ha ha).

Bear with us as the "NewCowboy and mom" posters. We do know what to feed and call the vet when necessary. We just enjoy reading and utilizing this Q & A for what it is here for. We can't all be professionals, and if you are one, please share your wealth of info.....

NewCowboy's mom :pretty: and NewCowboy :kid:

 

[Victoria]

I don't have a problem with the picture takers, maybe because I'm one of them even if I have been around cows all my life. Some of those pictures have made me some money. The reason I have no problem with people who dote on their cattle is because they take care of them. Now the ones that don't look into basic herd management and learn how to keep a cow healthy and fed BEFORE they get cattle do tick me off. They are living creatures and need to be taken care of. It's bad for the cattle and bad for the industry.

 

[luvcows]

Great response New Cowboys mom. I have been raising and showing cattle awhile now but like everything you dont pop out knowing how to do it. Everything must be learned. I think taking pictures of your cows and their births are wonderful. As I see it taking pictures just shows how much you enjoy and take pride in your cows. Shoot away. Who knows one day kids may only have pictures of cows to look at because the real thing is no longer around.

 

[aplusmnt]

If most of you on this beginners board are our next generation of cattleman Lord help us. Everything from what do I feed old Belle to rammin a camera up their butt because a new piece of hamburger has arrived. Then we have the bunch that starves them to not maintaing herd health. Question have any of ya'll thought about researching a cattle operation before putting the animals through mismanagement at best. Find a mentor learn a little be an asset to the business and the cattle.

I thought I did have a mentor? I recently bought me an Axe handle, a 22 mag rifle, 2,000 rounds of bullets, drained all the water out of my float tank, sold my $40,000 truck to buy an old work truck, turned the bull out for year round calving and added iodine to my feed to get rid of feet problems. And bought me some pet pigs.

Can you guess who my mentor is? :D

 

[Caustic Burno]

I don't have a problem with the picture takers, maybe because I'm one of them even if I have been around cows all my life. Some of those pictures have made me some money. The reason I have no problem with people who dote on their cattle is because they take care of them. Now the ones that don't look into basic herd management and learn how to keep a cow healthy and fed BEFORE they get cattle do tick me off. They are living creatures and need to be taken care of. It's bad for the cattle and bad for the industry.

Board is ate up with it, old cow is down they don't have the guts to shoot it and put it out of its misery and are to cheap to call the vet so they come to an internet chat board for some cattleman half way around the world to cure it without every seeing it. Then I just bought a load of cows I have no infrastucture what do I do. Calf died and some one wants an autopsy via the internet. Nothing worse in wantabees mismanaging good stock because they did not want to take the time to learn but then this is the generation it wants it all now.

 

[Caustic Burno]

If most of you on this beginners board are our next generation of cattleman Lord help us. Everything from what do I feed old Belle to rammin a camera up their butt because a new piece of hamburger has arrived. Then we have the bunch that starves them to not maintaing herd health. Question have any of ya'll thought about researching a cattle operation before putting the animals through mismanagement at best. Find a mentor learn a little be an asset to the business and the cattle.

I thought I did have a mentor? I recently bought me an Axe handle, a 22 mag rifle, 2,000 rounds of bullets, drained all the water out of my float tank, sold my $40,000 truck to buy an old work truck, turned the bull out year for year round calving and added iodine to my feed to get rid of feet problems. And bought me some pet pigs.

Can you guess who my mentor is? :D

Now that is funny ROFLMAO

 

[NewCowboy]

because they did not want to take the time to learn but then this is the generation it wants it all now.[/[/b]quote]

I couldn't agree more. This generation that I am having the privilege to raise is definitely "I want it now without having to work hard"generation. Kids in elementary school have cell phone and Ipods and almost anything they ask for. I hope that this is helping mine to understand the value of a dollar and how hard work pays off. No, we may not depend on our income from cattle, but we do enjoy working with them and learning. Hopefully the lessons learned will help my boys be better men in the future and maybe pay for college or a truck one day. :D

NewCowboy's Mom :pretty: :compute:

 

[VanC]

When I first read this post about an hour ago I thought it was out of line, but the more I think about it, the more it makes sense.

I haven't been involved with cattle for about 25 years and even I can't believe some of the questions from people who have them. The time to learn the basics is BEFORE you buy cattle, not after. Otherwise you will be endangering yourself and the animals.

This is a good place to learn lots of things about cattle but is still no substitute for hands on experience from someone who knows what they're doing.I just finished a book about George Patton but doesn't mean I could be trusted to lead men into combat.

 

[dane12]

If most of you on this beginners board are our next generation of cattleman Lord help us. Everything from what do I feed old Belle to rammin a camera up their butt because a new piece of hamburger has arrived.WELL i guess we should all just stop posting and stop taking pictures of our animals so that you do not have to be bothered by it maybe you need to go to a different board for all the "real cattlemen"


Then we have the bunch that starves them to not maintaing herd health. I have been to some of them real "big outfits" and i would never treat my livestock like some of them they do!!

Question have any of ya'll thought about researching a cattle operation before putting the animals through mismanagement at best.thats why some of us is on here
Find a mentor learn a little be an asset to the business and the cattle.

 

[NewCowboy]

When I first read this post about an hour ago I thought it was out of line, but the more I think about it, the more it makes sense.

I haven't been involved with cattle for about 25 years and even I can't believe some of the questions from people who have them. The time to learn the basics is BEFORE you buy cattle, not after. Otherwise you will be endangering yourself and the animals.

This is a good place to learn lots of things about cattle but is still no substitute for hands on experience from someone who knows what they're doing.I just finished a book about George Patton but doesn't mean I could be trusted to lead men into combat.

Sure, I understand too. Being a registered nurse, I would think that you were crazy/stupid for asking me to assess your skin rash, cough, disease, etc over the internet. I would say, "GOOD GRIEF" Go to the doctor, don't ask me to assess something I can't see. BUT, this is a Q & A board is it not. You know other posters, well at least we are, already in the process of having a vet out or have asked other people "in the know" about things that are going on at our place before we even post a question. I guess it is comforting to read if someone is or has gone through the same ordeal and just MIGHT have an insight that would help you or improve your learning about cow "stuff". Just my thoughts...... :idea: for what they are worth.

NewCowboy's mom :pretty:

 

[VanC]

Sure, I understand too. Being a registered nurse, I would think that you were crazy/stupid for asking me to assess your skin rash, cough, disease, etc over the internet. I would say, "GOOD GRIEF" Go to the doctor, don't ask me to assess something I can't see. BUT, this is a Q & A board is it not. You know other posters, well at least we are, already in the process of having a vet out or have asked other people "in the know" about things that are going on at our place before we even post a question. I guess it is comforting to read if someone is or has gone through the same ordeal and just MIGHT have an insight that would help you or improve your learning about cow "stuff". Just my thoughts...... :idea: for what they are worth.

NewCowboy's mom :pretty:

I agree. There's nothing wrong with getting others inputs or ideas. Lots of different ways to do some things. What I'm talking about (and I think CB too) is people who get into cattle or any other animals for that matter, and then the animals suffer because they don't know how to take care of them properly.

 

[NewCowboy]

Sure, I understand too. Being a registered nurse, I would think that you were crazy/stupid for asking me to assess your skin rash, cough, disease, etc over the internet. I would say, "GOOD GRIEF" Go to the doctor, don't ask me to assess something I can't see. BUT, this is a Q & A board is it not. You know other posters, well at least we are, already in the process of having a vet out or have asked other people "in the know" about things that are going on at our place before we even post a question. I guess it is comforting to read if someone is or has gone through the same ordeal and just MIGHT have an insight that would help you or improve your learning about cow "stuff". Just my thoughts...... :idea: for what they are worth.

NewCowboy's mom :pretty:

I agree. There's nothing wrong with getting others inputs or ideas. Lots of different ways to do some things. What I'm talking about (and I think CB too) is people who get into cattle or any other animals for that matter, and then the animals suffer because they don't know how to take care of them properly.

Exactly. I hope I didn't come across as upset or insulted. I was just enjoying expressing my opinion too.... :lol: I like taking the cow photos, I like asking dumb questions, and I like my son learning from the cattlemen/women on this board. He really seems to have gotten a lot out of the Q & A part.

 

[VanC]

I hope I didn't come across as upset or insulted. I was just enjoying expressing my opinion too.... :lol: I like taking the cow photos, I like asking dumb questions, and I like my son learning from the cattlemen/women on this board. He really seems to have gotten a lot out of the Q & A part.

Well I like asking dumb questions, too, and I'm darn good at it. ;-) ;-) Don't be afraid to ask. Most here will try to help as best they can. Ignore the rest.

 

[backhoeboogie]

I hope I didn't come across as upset or insulted. I was just enjoying expressing my opinion too.... :lol: I like taking the cow photos, I like asking dumb questions, and I like my son learning from the cattlemen/women on this board. He really seems to have gotten a lot out of the Q & A part.

You have my admiration Mom. Boy is 11 years old and learning responsibility. He's developing values, learning about life. He could be playing video games.

When I was his age I'd get up early, get my chores done, hop on my patched up consolidated bicycle and pedal down to the cafe hoping that somebody needed a boy to rake leaves, clean windows, drag brush, hoe a garden, you name it. The older boys all got picked first and they all got the "manly" jobs. I'd get the lil ole ladies that needed weeds pulled out of the flower beds or fences painted. I made some nickels. Finally grew a little after a couple of years. Folks got to asking for me by name "heard I was a good hand..." Man was I beaming. Cleared plenty of brush out of fence, learned how to swing an axe, cut cedar posts, staves with a sloped top - all kinds of things. I learned quite a bit earning extra nickels.

So when I read your words, your inquiries, think about that 11 year old boy, it brings back good memories.

From way out here looking in, you're doing a good job raising him. You won't regret it.

 

[Caustic Burno]

If most of you on this beginners board are our next generation of cattleman Lord help us. Everything from what do I feed old Belle to rammin a camera up their butt because a new piece of hamburger has arrived.WELL i guess we should all just stop posting and stop taking pictures of our animals so that you do not have to be bothered by it maybe you need to go to a different board for all the "real cattlemen"


Then we have the bunch that starves them to not maintaing herd health. I have been to some of them real "big outfits" and i would never treat my livestock like some of them they do!!

Question have any of ya'll thought about researching a cattle operation before putting the animals through mismanagement at best.thats why some of us is on here
Find a mentor learn a little be an asset to the business and the cattle.

You probablly didn't recognize what real management was about, title of the board Buckwheat is Cattle today not Hobby today.

 

[Gliderider]

I'm new into cattle as well, well almost, I've been raising two dairy calve and have that under control no problem. (Until "something" happens, as it always does.)
I've been asking alot of questions lately, but it's because I'm getting a couple of full grown bred cows. I've done alot of research, and during my research I came across this site. I love this site because I can not only read about what others are doing but I can see if it's working or not. Some of the things you read in books, don't always work well in real life. Plus there are other more efficent, cheaper, and sometimes better ways to do things. That's what I like to find out. What works for you and why. I know when to call the vet and when to treat things myself. I'm not shy about doing what has to be done. I want to know what should be done before I get in the middle of doing it.
Just keep in mind that some questions may seem dumb to you, but some of us on here want to know how others would handle situations that they have dealt with or are dealing with. If I want to know what to feed my pregnant cows when they get here, I can read a book easy, but it may not be the only thing for them. Ya'll might know a better, most cost effective, and efficent way to get them what they need. I'm always looking for ways to save money, but does that make me too cheap to take my animal to the vet? Nope, just smart.
Anyway, that's just my two cents. :)

 

[Caustic Burno]

I'm new into cattle as well, well almost, I've been raising two dairy calve and have that under control no problem. (Until "something" happens, as it always does.)
I've been asking alot of questions lately, but it's because I'm getting a couple of full grown bred cows. I've done alot of research, and during my research I came across this site. I love this site because I can not only read about what others are doing but I can see if it's working or not. Some of the things you read in books, don't always work well in real life. Plus there are other more efficent, cheaper, and sometimes better ways to do things. That's what I like to find out. What works for you and why. I know when to call the vet and when to treat things myself. I'm not shy about doing what has to be done. I want to know what should be done before I get in the middle of doing it.
Just keep in mind that some questions may seem dumb to you, but some of us on here want to know how others would handle situations that they have dealt with or are dealing with. If I want to know what to feed my pregnant cows when they get here, I can read a book easy, but it may not be the only thing for them. Ya'll might know a better, most cost effective, and efficent way to get them what they need. I'm always looking for ways to save money, but does that make me too cheap to take my animal to the vet? Nope, just smart.
Anyway, that's just my two cents. :)

Questions are one thing but these pictures of wore out old cows enough, ya'll talk like your first yougun just got here. What you have is 500 bucks that is going to get knocked in the head and hamburger patties made out of it or wolf brand chili if it is sorry. Learn how to take care of cattle and not pictures.