Getting ponds to hold water

My father-in-law (deceased now) worked many years underground at that mine. I have heard him tell a lot of stories about it. The area now uses the mine shafts as their water supply and there is some concern if they take the water level down to much a lot of sink holes will occur. From the large pile of lime that use to be there, Treadway (most got hauled to Thorn Hill site in the late 1970s) and destroyed the 131 road at that point (big trucks way overloaded). When the mine closed my father-in-law was offered a transfer to the Cartledge Tennessee mine, but he didn't go.

From hearing my father-in-law talk it was amazing how much lime they got out in one shift. With all the regs now-a-days probably couldn't do it now, but there would be less people killed. I have been in the buildings in the 1980s (most gone now) and no way would I go down in the hole there and work. Drilling a well around there you don't have to go very deep but expect it to be limey.
My uncle (by marriage) was the head guy of the Treadway mines up until he retired in the late 70's. When his wife passed, his family wanted him to move himself and his kids back to New Jersey, where he was originally from. He told them no, that Hancock County was their home, and he wanted his kids raised by his wife's family because of their good southern values.

They all still live in the area today.
 
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This is the view at the property line. Thats about 30 foot below where im standing. The ground im standing on is nothing but lime. Fun fact, where it is straight lime, its mostly broomsage Haha
 

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My uncle (by marriage) was the head guy of the Treadway mines up until he retired in the late 70's. When his wife passed, his family wanted him to move himself and his kids back to New Jersey, where he was originally from. He told them no, that Hancock County was their home, and he wanted his kids raised by his wife's family because of their good southern values.

They all still live in the area today.
Interesting.
 
@Mark Reynolds id say ill be able to get at least one to hold water again. Im gonna try if I grt the place. If I cant get wster back there itll be much harder to graze.

There was a work order for a well water system w the NRCS, then the owner passed. May see about getting that going again if possible. Hard telling whats gonna happen, if anything.
 
@Mark Reynolds id say ill be able to get at least one to hold water again. Im gonna try if I grt the place. If I cant get wster back there itll be much harder to graze.

There was a work order for a well water system w the NRCS, then the owner passed. May see about getting that going again if possible. Hard telling whats gonna happen, if anything.
@ClinchValley86 be careful with that work order. IF the cause of the pond failures is longwall mining, that means the water table has very likely been disrupted. If this is the case, then drilling a well may very "well" (pun not intended) result in a failed/dry well. NRCS does NOT pay cost share reimbursement on dry wells. I'm not telling you not to do/try this, but be aware of what possible outcomes you may end up with depending on mining operations that you have indicated are present around. The well would be a great solution. I don't have any idea how risky that is, and based on the mining, it could be a whole lot riskier than what it seems, even based on historical well logs.
 
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This is the view at the property line. Thats about 30 foot below where im standing. The ground im standing on is nothing but lime. Fun fact, where it straight lime, its mostly broom wedge. Haha
Roy and Jewell Hurley had cattle along that line and when the wind would blow the cattle stayed covered with lime. With all the lime the soil is probably alkaline and as bad as acidic.
 
@Mark Reynolds id say ill be able to get at least one to hold water again. Im gonna try if I grt the place. If I cant get wster back there itll be much harder to graze.

There was a work order for a well water system w the NRCS, then the owner passed. May see about getting that going again if possible. Hard telling whats gonna happen, if anything.
They have money if you can get it qualified to hand out right now. I checked with them for some repair funds, and they mentioned a cross fencing and water system, mine is getting old. We will see.
 
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@ClinchValley86 be careful with that work order. IF the cause of the pond failures is longwall mining, that means the water table has very likely been disrupted. If this is the case, then drilling a well may very "well" (pun not intended) result in a failed/dry well. NRCS does NOT pay cost share reimbursement on dry wells. I'm not telling you not to do/try this, but be aware of what possible outcomes you may end up with depending on mining operations that you have indicated are present around. The well would be a great solution. I don't have any idea how risky that is, and based on the mining, it could be a whole lot riskier than what it seems, even based on historical well logs.
Look back at what jltrent posted. The county uses the mine as their water source and drilling a well is usually a sure thing and not very deep there.
But back to my origional statement, if it was a pond before it won't be hard to make it hold water. In our area if you take the cattle away the pond will go dry. Clean it out and put cows back and it will hold. We dont have much problems getting one to hold.
I used the bentinite on a pond that had been a cattle pond but cattle was not there any more and I wanted it for wildlife. I cleaned it out too deep. 4 ft of mud and I went 4'6" . I messed it up.
 
Look back at what jltrent posted. The county uses the mine as their water source and drilling a well is usually a sure thing and not very deep there.
But back to my origional statement, if it was a pond before it won't be hard to make it hold water. In our area if you take the cattle away the pond will go dry. Clean it out and put cows back and it will hold. We dont have much problems getting one to hold.
I used the bentinite on a pond that had been a cattle pond but cattle was not there any more and I wanted it for wildlife. I cleaned it out too deep. 4 ft of mud and I went 4'6" . I messed it up.
Wife's brother drilled a well maybe a half mile from the zinc mines entrance and just over a 100' hit a pond of water. It came gushing out like a creek when the well drilling truck was blowing it out. At least 30+ gallon a minute.
 
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Roy and Jewell Hurley had cattle along that line and when the wind would blow the cattle stayed covered with lime. With all the lime the soil is probably alkaline and as bad as acidic.
Ill be sharing a fence line with Hurley if it does go through.

I cut hay on this place fall of 2024, the wheel rake was kicking up lime dust. That hay had line all thru it. Was pretty wild.

I initially wanted the place for hay making activities. Then noticed all the old ponds. Itd sure do the ground a lot of good if I could graze it. It could easily be split up with some temp fence if I can get 2 of the ponds to hold water.

Such a tiny little world aint it!
 
Wife's brother drilled a well maybe a half mile from the zinc mines entrance and just over a 100' hit a pond of water. It came gushing out like a creek when the well drilling truck was blowing it out. At least 30+ gallon a minute.
I am about 2 miles east of the miles. Our well was 580 feet deep. Neighbors hit water at 120 feet. It wild how underground water works.
 
Look back at what jltrent posted. The county uses the mine as their water source and drilling a well is usually a sure thing and not very deep there.
But back to my origional statement, if it was a pond before it won't be hard to make it hold water. In our area if you take the cattle away the pond will go dry. Clean it out and put cows back and it will hold. We dont have much problems getting one to hold.
I used the bentinite on a pond that had been a cattle pond but cattle was not there any more and I wanted it for wildlife. I cleaned it out too deep. 4 ft of mud and I went 4'6" . I messed it up.
Can you put some of the mud back?
 
Ill be sharing a fence line with Hurley if it does go through.

I cut hay on this place fall of 2024, the wheel rake was kicking up lime dust. That hay had line all thru it. Was pretty wild.

I initially wanted the place for hay making activities. Then noticed all the old ponds. Itd sure do the ground a lot of good if I could graze it. It could easily be split up with some temp fence if I can get 2 of the ponds to hold water.

Such a tiny little world aint it!
Is that from wind blowing the lime dust for 70 years or what do you think? It's possible for the PH to be too high but if you have been cutting hay it should be good. Actually having cows on it should help. Watch the cows teeth and see if they wear down faster.
The broom sage grass is because of low P in the N-P-K. Add 18-46 to any areas with broom sage grass and it will disappear.
 
Ill be sharing a fence line with Hurley if it does go through.

I cut hay on this place fall of 2024, the wheel rake was kicking up lime dust. That hay had line all thru it. Was pretty wild.

I initially wanted the place for hay making activities. Then noticed all the old ponds. Itd sure do the ground a lot of good if I could graze it. It could easily be split up with some temp fence if I can get 2 of the ponds to hold water.

Such a tiny little world aint it!

If there is that much free lime in the air, will it be hard on there teeth. Sandy country is abrasive on teeth and I wonder if lime would be the same?:unsure:
 

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