Genetic Purity

[SEC]

I know this will get people fired up but it's good for discussion.

I have visited with different breeders in the past and the topic of genetic purity comes along. Their sole purpose is to maintain breed purity. These breeders want to avoid bulls who according to their beliefs aren't genetically pure.

Agree or not that is fine. They will not use genetics with the following bulls in the pedigree.........anywhere they will search it back a long ways. Now think about your herd and how many animals you might have that don't go back to these certain bulls.

Pine Drive, Bando 598, New Trend, Schearbrook Shoshone, Krugerrand and of course the old rotten bulls Harrison, Spock, Chairman.

The list isn't that extensive but go through and find cattle that don't have these genetics in them.
It's tough!

I think it's interesting as they have specific reasons to why they wouldn't use these bloodlines.

 

[houstoncutter]

Yea it might stir it up a bit, of course if you discussed why, they wouldnt use these bulls, ole Macon would have to put a lock on this discussion...lol....Ok, Angus breeders, let the games begin!!!

 

[Brandonm2]

I know this will get people fired up but it's good for discussion.

I have visited with different breeders in the past and the topic of genetic purity comes along. Their sole purpose is to maintain breed purity. These breeders want to avoid bulls who according to their beliefs aren't genetically pure.

Agree or not that is fine. They will not use genetics with the following bulls in the pedigree.........anywhere they will search it back a long ways. Now think about your herd and how many animals you might have that don't go back to these certain bulls.

Pine Drive, Bando 598, New Trend, Schearbrook Shoshone, Krugerrand and of course the old rotten bulls Harrison, Spock, Chairman.

The list isn't that extensive but go through and find cattle that don't have these genetics in them.
It's tough!

I think it's interesting as they have specific reasons to why they wouldn't use these bloodlines.

I remember when Pine Drive Big Sky daughters were amoung the hottest commodities in the breed. Very eye appealing daughters. EVERYBODY had him at the top or the bottom of their pedigrees (or both). I think it would be kind of hard to avoid New Trend too. I wasn't aware that anybody was. I don't think many Angus people are all that worried about breed purity. I think most Angus breeders either deny any cheating went on OR acknowledge that it did occur and that the breed benefitted from the borrowed DNA. Old Style "Pure" Aberdeen Angus are actually a protected breed in Britain
http://www.rbst.org.uk/html/rare_breeds ... angus.html

 

[TxStateCowboy]

ya'll are referring to the modern angus right?
(angus x holstein) :P

 

[Jovid]

I thought anything with over 50% balck hide was considered CAB :lol:

 

[rwtherefords]

I thought anything with over 50% balck hide was considered CAB :lol:

Certified Angus :D :D :D Now, what does that really mean :?:

 

[purecountry]

I thought anything with over 50% balck hide was considered CAB :lol:

That's a good'un. HAA! :lol: :lol: We had cattle out of Pine Drive, Spock and New Trend flash lots of white. We just turned 'em into burger. That sort of CRAP - or the lack of it - is what attracted me to Galloways. They've never been super popular, so nobody seems to have tampered with the gene pool too much. Breed Purity isn't really an issue.

 

[Angus Guy]

Hope everybody is having fun bashing angus. Why don't we talk about the of breeds (or should I say crossbreeds). To be honest I know there is a likelihood of some off genitics in the angus breed. But in all honestly how can you call an otherwise red or red/white breed purebred if they are black?

 

[la4angus]

But in all honestly how can you call an otherwise red or red/white breed purebred if they are black?

They pass it off on a recently discovered mutant gene that swept the country in the last 5 yrs. :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[Angus Guy]

I like that LA :D

 

[rwtherefords]

But in all honestly how can you call an otherwise red or red/white breed purebred if they are black?

You're absolutely right! That's a joke too!

My remark was about CAB guidelines passing off any animal that's black as Certified Angus. Nothing really to do with the Angus gene pool.

 

[la4angus]

But in all honestly how can you call an otherwise red or red/white breed purebred if they are black?

You're absolutely right! That's a joke too!

My remark was about CAB guidelines passing off any animal that's black as Certified Angus. Nothing really to do with the Angus gene pool.

Well it's my opinion that if the AAA would not have that stipulation the CAB program would be much more successful just selling Angus and Black Baldies. All it does is help to market the inferior continental breeds and doesn't do the Angus breed any good.

 

[SEC]

That's somewhat I was looking for but I thought it might be a bigger explosion.

Every breed is certainly guilty of their periods where things went a little wonky. As well some bulls have been written on because mother nature popped a gene up that terrified the world.

Like High Valley 7D7, comes up with a dwarf gene. Yet, his progeny are excellent, I think the breed could have used a bull like that. Natures keeps things in check.

I am not pointing fingers either it was an opinion of some breeders. I know when I looked at my cow herd it was suprising. I generally have tried to avoid those cattle to begin with as my thinking is if the genes are in their and we know bad or weird things can come from certain bulls I would just as soon not have the pedigrees around. I don't care how far back this stuff comes in. I have boughten cattle knowing those bulls were in there but they weren't the expensive ones.

 

[Scotty]

But in all honestly how can you call an otherwise red or red/white breed purebred if they are black?

You're absolutely right! That's a joke too!

My remark was about CAB guidelines passing off any animal that's black as Certified Angus. Nothing really to do with the Angus gene pool.

Well it's my opinion that if the AAA would not have that stipulation the CAB program would be much more successful just selling Angus and Black Baldies. All it does is help to market the inferior continental breeds and doesn't do the Angus breed any good.

Do you think that all beef, red meat, would be good if it met the criteria? And CAB is no defferent than Cert Herf Beef. Look like a Hereford must be one. If that is true, than if it quacks like a duck, it is a duck. My 9 year old was practicing her new call the other day. Think I will take her hunting. ;-)


Scotty

 

[Kent]

But in all honestly how can you call an otherwise red or red/white breed purebred if they are black?

You're absolutely right! That's a joke too!

My remark was about CAB guidelines passing off any animal that's black as Certified Angus. Nothing really to do with the Angus gene pool.

Well it's my opinion that if the AAA would not have that stipulation the CAB program would be much more successful just selling Angus and Black Baldies. All it does is help to market the inferior continental breeds and doesn't do the Angus breed any good.

Do you think that all beef, red meat, would be good if it met the criteria? And CAB is no defferent than Cert Herf Beef. Look like a Hereford must be one. If that is true, than if it quacks like a duck, it is a duck. My 9 year old was practicing her new call the other day. Think I will take her hunting. ;-)


Scotty

Well, there is SOME difference to Cert Herf Beef. The animals are supposed to be 50% or more Hereford and the rest another British breed. It does not mean 50% red-with-a-white-face, it means 50% or more Hereford. The feedlot accepting cattle is given some guidelines for judging calves on acceptability if their origin is uncertain, but this is a very small percentage of the calves. Otherwise, to submit a calf to CHB when it is not really at least 50% Herf and the rest British, you would have to just flat-out lie, which I know some people don't have a problem doing when a dollar is involved. However, in the cattle business, you can't police that sort of behavior.

 

[Caustic Burno]

But in all honestly how can you call an otherwise red or red/white breed purebred if they are black?

You're absolutely right! That's a joke too!

My remark was about CAB guidelines passing off any animal that's black as Certified Angus. Nothing really to do with the Angus gene pool.

Well it's my opinion that if the AAA would not have that stipulation the CAB program would be much more successful just selling Angus and Black Baldies. All it does is help to market the inferior continental breeds and doesn't do the Angus breed any good.

Do you think that all beef, red meat, would be good if it met the criteria? And CAB is no defferent than Cert Herf Beef. Look like a Hereford must be one. If that is true, than if it quacks like a duck, it is a duck. My 9 year old was practicing her new call the other day. Think I will take her hunting. ;-)


Scotty

Well, there is SOME difference to Cert Herf Beef. The animals are supposed to be 50% or more Hereford and the rest another British breed. It does not mean 50% red-with-a-white-face, it means 50% or more Hereford. The feedlot accepting cattle is given some guidelines for judging calves on acceptability if their origin is uncertain, but this is a very small percentage of the calves. Otherwise, to submit a calf to CHB when it is not really at least 50% Herf and the rest British, you would have to just flat-out lie, which I know some people don't have a problem doing when a dollar is involved. However, in the cattle business, you can't police that sort of behavior.

I think Angus should push there breed and if they get more for pure Angus beef more power to them its the CAB that has caused this genetic septic tank in all the breeds of trying to get a black hide.

 

[lakading]

But in all honestly how can you call an otherwise red or red/white breed purebred if they are black?

You're absolutely right! That's a joke too!

My remark was about CAB guidelines passing off any animal that's black as Certified Angus. Nothing really to do with the Angus gene pool.

Well it's my opinion that if the AAA would not have that stipulation the CAB program would be much more successful just selling Angus and Black Baldies. All it does is help to market the inferior continental breeds and doesn't do the Angus breed any good.

Do you think that all beef, red meat, would be good if it met the criteria? And CAB is no defferent than Cert Herf Beef. Look like a Hereford must be one. If that is true, than if it quacks like a duck, it is a duck. My 9 year old was practicing her new call the other day. Think I will take her hunting. ;-)


Scotty

Well, there is SOME difference to Cert Herf Beef. The animals are supposed to be 50% or more Hereford and the rest another British breed. It does not mean 50% red-with-a-white-face, it means 50% or more Hereford. The feedlot accepting cattle is given some guidelines for judging calves on acceptability if their origin is uncertain, but this is a very small percentage of the calves. Otherwise, to submit a calf to CHB when it is not really at least 50% Herf and the rest British, you would have to just flat-out lie, which I know some people don't have a problem doing when a dollar is involved. However, in the cattle business, you can't police that sort of behavior.

I think Angus should push there breed and if they get more for pure Angus beef more power to them its the CAB that has caused this genetic septic tank in all the breeds of trying to get a black hide.

There is great consumer demand for CAB. If they can get these generic black critters to grade CAB, it would be an awfully nice smelling septic tank.

 

[SEC]

You guys are getting a little to carried away. I wasn't starting a breed war as we are all trying to raise beef.

By the way things look we had better join forces in consumer acceptance rather than what breed the meat is as in the near future the meat will be sorted by quality rather than what the hide was.

In Canada Silver calves are just starting to come along. Short of selling the "rattails" which there is very few of, the grey cattle will be discounted at times. Yet the buckskins are widely accepted.

 

[lakading]

SEC, you have a point about raising a quality product. However, I'm sure that you did not mean to imply that black hide automatically means CAB. Consumers don't demand the hide. They demand the taste. CAB still has to be earned, even if the hide is black.

 

[SEC]

Lakading you are right. Beef is the #1 issue. Not CAB or anything else, just want people to eat it!