Geez.....

randiliana

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Yesterday was quite the day around here. We are calving and it has been just snapping right along. We have 70 out of 148 cows calved out in 12 days so far. Pretty amazing as far as that goes. Weather has actually been pretty darn nice so far too. We'd lost 2 calves early on, but things seemed to have settled down and the cows and heifers have mostly been having their calves and taking care of them on their own. We've had to help a few heifers, but that is par for the course (and that bull won't be breeding heifers around here again either....).

Well, yesterday morning I went out to check things out as I usually do. There were 5 or 6 new ones down there from the afternoon before and overnight. Looked around and saw 2 more brand new ones, but they were up and looking for breakfast. Til I turned around and found one laid out flat. Head stretched back and legs going. So this is not so good :help: . I dragged it over onto the straw pack, to get it out of the wind til we could get back with the truck to get it up to the barn. I've carried calves up there before, but that is just way too much work nowadays.... Now, I will leave it at that and anyone who wants to guess at the problem go right ahead. Cows are all on a vaccination program and have free choice mineral too.

So, we go out and do chores, check on all the calves and everything is looking good. Had another cow calve before lunch and it is fine. So the day goes on. Things are looking OK, we've tubed the calf in the barn with some colostrum and treated it and it is showing signs of coming around.... Few hours later and it is up and even looking for a suck, AWESOME :D !

Most of the afternoon is pretty laid back. About 4:30 DH comes in and says that heifer #31 is starting to calve. So we check on her in a bit, and she just doesn't seem to be progressing, she is working hard, but no feet are showing. Get her in the barn to check her out, DH says, it's all right there, I think she just needs more time (he likes to leave them alone longer than I do, it causes the odd argument...lol). So we give her a bit longer, but still nothing. This time we get the chains out, and the puller too. I run the puller, and I'm pulling pretty hard, and nothing is coming :frowns: . So, we call the vet, she says she will be 30 min or so, we get the heifer loaded up. And then we notice one of the heifers whose calf is about a week old is running around looking for him...

She is standing right over this grave (for a horse) that we'd had dug last fall. The badgers had been busy all winter excavating it, we'd fill it in, they'd clean it out. I say to DH ' he wouldn't have fallen in there would he!' So now we head out to try and find her calf, get the shovels out and dig a bit and sure enough he is in there. Figure they were playing around there, and he either got in too deep or fell in and it collapsed around him....Got him dug out but only few hours too late, dam it all :cry2: Now of course we are late for the vet, but as it turns out only about 5 min late. Get the heifer over there and vet says, no way calf is coming out the back end....

It was the longest C-section I'd been to took almost 2 hours. Calf just wouldn't co-operate and he was laying on the heifer's right side... But the vet finally got him pulled out and he was a big boy alright. Got the heifer stitched back up and back home, and she surprised us and took right to him. And as soon as we got home, we went out to check on things, and have another cow calving, she's got upside down feet showing, lovely a backwards calf now.... Just another note to add to an already crappy day. At least we got this one out alive and without surgery.....

And to top it off, when we went out to do chores this morning, we found another week old calf just laying there dead. It was OK yesterday, so who knows.....
 
we all have freak things happen an we dont know why.an we all find calves dead an dont know what happened to them.if i was smart id say they mightve gotten stepped on.
 
BB, I suppose the one could have been stepped on, but it would be really bad luck if that happened. They sure weren't crowded at all. We had just turned 45 pair out onto 60 acres so that they would have more room!

Kathie, the year started out not great either. Set of twins, one breech, but both alive. Dead calf at birth (probably born backward or had sac over its head). Heifer had a calf with just the head coming, by the time we figured it out the calf was dead, and we ended up taking her to the vet cause we couldn't pull it, he was able too though. Then things brightened up a bit, we had 2 sets of twins born unassisted and alive, and things seemed to settle down..... And we're just in the middle of calving. Plus we have 85 heifers we are calving out for someone else, they are supposed to be bred to 'easy calving Angus bulls'....
 
randiliana":3lg3iu4l said:
BB, I suppose the one could have been stepped on, but it would be really bad luck if that happened. They sure weren't crowded at all. We had just turned 45 pair out onto 60 acres so that they would have more room!

Kathie, the year started out not great either. Set of twins, one breech, but both alive. Dead calf at birth (probably born backward or had sac over its head). Heifer had a calf with just the head coming, by the time we figured it out the calf was dead, and we ended up taking her to the vet cause we couldn't pull it, he was able too though. Then things brightened up a bit, we had 2 sets of twins born unassisted and alive, and things seemed to settle down..... And we're just in the middle of calving. Plus we have 85 heifers we are calving out for someone else, they are supposed to be bred to 'easy calving Angus bulls'....
I would not trade shoes with you right now! Please keep us posted.
 
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I'm plumb tuckered out after all that. I think I need to go to bed. Here's to a smooth rest of the way :drink: .
 
rough day!
your calf in the barn still improving? I say it's brain damaged and not going to guess at the cause... could be genetic or a long calving. I don't think the chance of full recovery is great but I've had a couple that managed to catch a truck off farm - they could stand, walk, suck a bottle, respond to what's happening around them.

You need a run of good luck after this.
We found a weaner in a concrete drain-pipe in the winter, I know she'd been with the herd two days before but we pulled her out and she could hardly walk and rubbed raw from being crammed in the pipe. I don't know if she ever came right, she was still pretty sore when I moved off that farm a few days later.
 
I'll tell, but first I want to see if anyone can guess.

Symptoms,

Newborn calf laid out flat. Head extended back. No suck reflex and cannot stand up. No real muscle control. Cow did not clean. Cows are all vaccinated for major health issues (BVD,IBR, PI3 etc) and on a free choice mineral. Weather was fairly nice although windy. After treatment calf slowly regained control and was able to suck and stand within about 6-8 hours.
 
randiliana":pzzon37j said:
I'll tell, but first I want to see if anyone can guess.

Symptoms,

Newborn calf laid out flat. Head extended back. No suck reflex and cannot stand up. No real muscle control. Cow did not clean. Cows are all vaccinated for major health issues (BVD,IBR, PI3 etc) and on a free choice mineral. Weather was fairly nice although windy. After treatment calf slowly regained control and was able to suck and stand within about 6-8 hours.
Not a clue. My first guess be selinium deficiency. Otherwise -- the cow just wasn't there ???
 
Sounds like you had way more than your share of hard luck. All those twins, are they predominantly one breed or spread around? Wondering if that shorthorn influence is more likely to twin? The "downer" calf, was it one that needed the BoSe supplement?

It is so disheartening to lose a calf for no apparent reason. If you don't know why it happened, how can you prevent it happening again??
 
randiliana":2asaba9v said:
I'll tell, but first I want to see if anyone can guess.

Symptoms,

Newborn calf laid out flat. Head extended back. No suck reflex and cannot stand up. No real muscle control. Cow did not clean. Cows are all vaccinated for major health issues (BVD,IBR, PI3 etc) and on a free choice mineral. Weather was fairly nice although windy. After treatment calf slowly regained control and was able to suck and stand within about 6-8 hours.

You say the weather was fairly nice and windy but do you still have snow on the ground? If the calf wasn't licked off dry was it too cold to get up and nurse? I can't think of the word when your body core gets too cold? :?
 
You are thinking of hypothermia. And, no, that isn't it. Although it can be a side effect of the problem. We have no snow left, and the temps have been well above freezing for the last week or so.
 
Those of you who thought Selenium are right. And yes, the cattle are on a mineral with selenium included. This calf was one of the worst we have ever had. Took 6cc's of selenium to get it going (that is 3 time the dosage on the bottle) Usually 2 cc's will have them up and going within 2 hours.
 

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