GE EPD'S COMPARIED TO JUST LOOKING

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My grandfather didn't have epd's to work with. This was brought up on another thread about the new GE EPD'S and birth weight.

I just use them as a tool after I seen to many wrecks . My grandfather could tell usually by looking if the bull would be a hard calver. I am learning but I want to know what u all use a combo of both or just epds or just looks.
 
On April 9, 2013, the American Hereford Association (AHA) released new genomic-enhanced expected progeny differences (GE-EPDs) based on new correlations updated because of the addition of more than 2,000 animals with 50K genotypes.













Modification to Genomic Prediction for AHA
by Dorian Garrick

Expected progeny differences (EPDs) are designed to assist in selection decisions in two ways. First, the ranking of candidates on EPD is the most accurate ranking based on the available pedigree and performance information. Second, the EPDs themselves are presented in units of measurement and should therefore be able to be interpreted in terms of the effect on phenotype.

This means that if two bulls differ in EPD by 10 lb., the offspring difference should also average 10 lb. If the actual offspring difference was more than 10 lb. (say 12 lb.), it indicates that there is not enough variation in the EPDs. If the actual offspring difference was less than 10 lb. (say 8 lb.) it indicates that there is too much variation in the EPDs.

We can check that the evaluation is behaving as we would expect by regressing the performance in a validation population on the EPDs. The regression slope should be 1, meaning that for every 1 lb. increase in EPD, on average there is a 1 lb. increase in observed performance. When we do this for real EPDs, either from conventional pedigree-based evaluation or genomic evaluation, we often see these regressions are a little different from 1. In genomic evaluations, they are often (but not always) a little less than 1. In the past, we have never made any adjustments for this, either for traditional EPDs or genomic EPDs.

The most recent evaluation produced one prediction that was as extreme as has ever been seen using conventional prediction. Accordingly, we have inspected the data, the procedures and these regression coefficients (of genomic EPD on actual performance) and confirmed many are slight under the expected value of 1. This makes animals at either extreme have EPDs that are a little more extreme than they should be.

Accordingly, we have decided to adjust the scale of the genomic predictions, to force the regression to be 1. In the case of birth weight for example, the adjustment is a coefficient of 0.8. This means a genomic prediction of 10 lb. would be scaled back to 8, as would a genomic prediction of -10 lb. be scaled back to -8 lb. This adjustment has no effect on the genomic rankings for any particular trait, and has no effect on the correlation. It is only the scales that are being slightly modified. The coefficient for milk was 0.47 whereas the other coefficients are less extreme (ie. closer to 1).

These changes will only impact blended EPDs on animals that had low accuracy on their conventional EPD. Among those animals, it will make those that were extreme at either end of the distribution a bit less extreme, the amount of reduction being directly dependent upon the estimates from the regression analysis.
 
Just a bunch of B.S. trying to make us believe if we get these test done we have better animals. Marketing tool I would say.
 
JHH":335knkk0 said:
My grandfather didn't have epd's to work with. This was brought up on another thread about the new GE EPD'S and birth weight.

I just use them as a tool after I seen to many wrecks . My grandfather could tell usually by looking if the bull would be a hard calver. I am learning but I want to know what u all use a combo of both or just epds or just looks.

Both, in particular going back to the same herds year after year to see what was culled and what was kept. Blood testing everything for the genetic defects, even the commercial quality and culls, is really important because some of the popular Hereford AI studs are question marks in regard to 23D.

The Genome EPD may be useful, but it does appear to be an index most beneficial to the big bull factories that sell hundreds of bulls each year from every bloodline in the breed. Those operations register the most animals and control every breed registry for the most part. Finding a person you can trust is the most important first step you can take in improving your stock. Accurate EPDs are a nice way to verify your trust was well founded. If you are one of the vast majority of little guys the best thing to do is run not walk away from Lot #267 on Big Box Bull's cattleinmotion page and find someone local with ten solid bulls for sale.
 
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