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CAB to modify standards
The Certified Angus Beef LLC board of directors voted last week to adjust certain CAB brand specifications. In place of a longstanding Yield Grade 3.9 limit, the board voted to adopt more specific size standards. The new specifications will call for ribeye area of 10 to 16 square inches and carcass weight less than 1,000 pounds. It also instructed the CAB staff to investigate limits on external fat thickness to refine compositional consistency. According to a CAB release, the brand specifications already address the issue of insufficient marbling, which the 2005 National Beef Quality Audit identified as the top concern of foodservice and retail customers. "This change," says John Stika, CAB vice president for business development, "would take aim at the next two on that list: cut weights too heavy and lack of uniformity." For more information, go to http://www.drovers.com.
The CAB release notes that since 1978, the average weight of a U.S. beef carcass has increased by nearly 6 pounds per year for a total of 165 pounds. As weights increased, ribeye size had to grow proportionately for carcasses to remain below Yield Grade 4. As a result, some carcasses can meet CAB specs for grade and yield, but are too large to fit the needs of CAB foodservice customers. This change will allow some YG 4 carcasses to qualify for CAB, but should provide more uniformity where it matters most – on the plate. — J.M.
 
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dun":2ns50on0 said:
CAB to modify standards
The Certified Angus Beef LLC board of directors voted last week to adjust certain CAB brand specifications. In place of a longstanding Yield Grade 3.9 limit, the board voted to adopt more specific size standards. The new specifications will call for ribeye area of 10 to 16 square inches and carcass weight less than 1,000 pounds. It also instructed the CAB staff to investigate limits on external fat thickness to refine compositional consistency. According to a CAB release, the brand specifications already address the issue of insufficient marbling, which the 2005 National Beef Quality Audit identified as the top concern of foodservice and retail customers. "This change," says John Stika, CAB vice president for business development, "would take aim at the next two on that list: cut weights too heavy and lack of uniformity." For more information, go to http://www.drovers.com.
The CAB release notes that since 1978, the average weight of a U.S. beef carcass has increased by nearly 6 pounds per year for a total of 165 pounds. As weights increased, ribeye size had to grow proportionately for carcasses to remain below Yield Grade 4. As a result, some carcasses can meet CAB specs for grade and yield, but are too large to fit the needs of CAB foodservice customers. This change will allow some YG 4 carcasses to qualify for CAB, but should provide more uniformity where it matters most – on the plate. — J.M.

Good move, IMO. That will cut out some of the Continental influences that produce an extreme carcass. I like it. :D
 
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That sounds sensible too me. An 1100 lb carcass with a 17 inch ribeye area would cut porterhouses bigger than your avg plate. 1000 lbs and 16 inches seems like reasonable limits to me. 1000 lbs is about a 1600 lb carcass and IF you use the rule that a finished steer weighs in at ~ his Mama cow's mature weight then 1600 pounds seems like a reasonable maximum cow weight for the real world. I never did understand why Yield grade mattered to CAB. Pay the man the CAB premium for producing a med Choice carcass and dock him for 4++ YG carcass. Sounds like a wise decision too me.
 
Then you'll like this one too, Frankie:

FEEDER CALF CERTIFICATION PROGRAM
The foundation of the entire marketing program is the Red Angus Feeder Calf Certification Program (FCCP). The FCCP verifies a calf's link to the "Angus" gene pool, identifying them as "Angus" regardless of hide color.
To be eligible, calves must be the offspring of a Registered Red Angus male or female. The FCCP tag officially documents this known Angus parentage. All FCCP tags have a serial tracking number on the back, allowing them to be traced throughout the marketing system. Calves can be tagged at any time from birth until loading on the truck to go to the packing plant.

The intentions of the Certification Program are to offer marketing alternatives for Red Angus sponsored feeder cattle services, and/or packing plant programs. Ultimately, Certified cattle are eligible for approved "Angus" branded beef product lines under USDA's Schedule GLA for live animal specifications.


http://old.redangus.org/newredsite/them ... pdate.html

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I disagree with the analogy that the CAB rule changes will cut out the Cont influence. By raising the carcass max weight to 1000 lbs., it will allow more Conts in the program. Thanks!

A 10" Ribeye? Come on. This is only about the size of a Skoal can!
 
MikeC":10lj6n2v said:
Then you'll like this one too, Frankie:

FEEDER CALF CERTIFICATION PROGRAM
The foundation of the entire marketing program is the Red Angus Feeder Calf Certification Program (FCCP). The FCCP verifies a calf's link to the "Angus" gene pool, identifying them as "Angus" regardless of hide color.
To be eligible, calves must be the offspring of a Registered Red Angus male or female. The FCCP tag officially documents this known Angus parentage. All FCCP tags have a serial tracking number on the back, allowing them to be traced throughout the marketing system. Calves can be tagged at any time from birth until loading on the truck to go to the packing plant.

The intentions of the Certification Program are to offer marketing alternatives for Red Angus sponsored feeder cattle services, and/or packing plant programs. Ultimately, Certified cattle are eligible for approved "Angus" branded beef product lines under USDA's Schedule GLA for live animal specifications.


http://old.redangus.org/newredsite/them ... pdate.html

I do like this one. The Red Angus people have worked hard to provide marketing opportunities for their breed, but nothing here says they qualify as CAB. :roll:
 
Frankie":1wra5i8h said:
MikeC":1wra5i8h said:
Then you'll like this one too, Frankie:

FEEDER CALF CERTIFICATION PROGRAM
The foundation of the entire marketing program is the Red Angus Feeder Calf Certification Program (FCCP). The FCCP verifies a calf's link to the "Angus" gene pool, identifying them as "Angus" regardless of hide color.
To be eligible, calves must be the offspring of a Registered Red Angus male or female. The FCCP tag officially documents this known Angus parentage. All FCCP tags have a serial tracking number on the back, allowing them to be traced throughout the marketing system. Calves can be tagged at any time from birth until loading on the truck to go to the packing plant.

The intentions of the Certification Program are to offer marketing alternatives for Red Angus sponsored feeder cattle services, and/or packing plant programs. Ultimately, Certified cattle are eligible for approved "Angus" branded beef product lines under USDA's Schedule GLA for live animal specifications.


http://old.redangus.org/newredsite/them ... pdate.html

I do like this one. The Red Angus people have worked hard to provide marketing opportunities for their breed, but nothing here says they qualify as CAB. :roll:

If you'll read the last sentence very slowly............you'll see that it does. :lol:
 
You're running your mouth again without putting your brain in gear, Mike. Animals that are not black can qualify for CAB if they're sired by a registered Angus bull and wear the AngusSource ear tag. Otherwise, the requirements are the same as always, 51% black hided, etc.
 
"The FCCP verifies a calf's link to the "Angus" gene pool, identifying them as "Angus" regardless of hide color."

Whose brain is not in gear? :lol:

Does it say "Red Angus" ? No.

Does it say "Regardless of hide color". Yes.
 
Mod2":3sdxmvnu said:
MikeC":3sdxmvnu said:
"The FCCP verifies a calf's link to the "Angus" gene pool, identifying them as "Angus" regardless of hide color."

Whose brain is not in gear? :lol:

Does it say "Red Angus" ? No.

Does it say "Regardless of hide color". Yes.

Does it say Angus? No, it says "Angus". "Angus" is a type not a breed. Half the cattle in the country are probably "Angus". CAB takes black hided cattle. Show me something from the Red Angus Association that says CAB accepts Red Angus cattle. You can't because they don't.

So "Angus" is not a breed? Try telling that to Frankie! :lol:

That article IS from the Red Angus Association. I'm sorry to see that you can't read either.

The rules are somewhat ambiguous for a reason.............

I know people who are feeding Red Angus sired calves and getting paid for CAB. They qualify by the yellow tag. They're not black either.

I took heat a few weeks ago by announcing that CAB is accepting YG 4's and had raised the carcass weights. Nothing unusual here.

There are none so blind as those who cannot see.

And you're a "Moderator"? :roll:
 
Carcass weights, YG's, ribeyes, marbling, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I would like to know, does this "AngusSource" tag mean that any of them have been DNA'ed to prove they have 5% Aberdeen Angus in them, let alone 51%? Or is it just another tag that's supposed to guarantee, what is actually a myth that all these black or RED cattle are coming from honest folks who would never put a CAB tag in a continental calf?
 
MikeC":zmr1qc8j said:
Frankie":zmr1qc8j said:
MikeC":zmr1qc8j said:
Then you'll like this one too, Frankie:

FEEDER CALF CERTIFICATION PROGRAM
The foundation of the entire marketing program is the Red Angus Feeder Calf Certification Program (FCCP). The FCCP verifies a calf's link to the "Angus" gene pool, identifying them as "Angus" regardless of hide color.
To be eligible, calves must be the offspring of a Registered Red Angus male or female. The FCCP tag officially documents this known Angus parentage. All FCCP tags have a serial tracking number on the back, allowing them to be traced throughout the marketing system. Calves can be tagged at any time from birth until loading on the truck to go to the packing plant.

The intentions of the Certification Program are to offer marketing alternatives for Red Angus sponsored feeder cattle services, and/or packing plant programs. Ultimately, Certified cattle are eligible for approved "Angus" branded beef product lines under USDA's Schedule GLA for live animal specifications.


http://old.redangus.org/newredsite/them ... pdate.html

I do like this one. The Red Angus people have worked hard to provide marketing opportunities for their breed, but nothing here says they qualify as CAB. :roll:

If you'll read the last sentence very slowly............you'll see that it does. :lol:




Mike
They will qualify for one of the more than 40 Angus branded beef products . But it does'nt say anything about CAB which is just one of the many programs .
 
purecountry":2ntqaeww said:
Carcass weights, YG's, ribeyes, marbling, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I would like to know, does this "AngusSource" tag mean that any of them have been DNA'ed to prove they have 5% Aberdeen Angus in them, let alone 51%? Or is it just another tag that's supposed to guarantee, what is actually a myth that all these black or RED cattle are coming from honest folks who would never put a CAB tag in a continental calf?

I am not an authority on DNA testing; but I doubt seriously that it could accurately differentiate a 50% Angus calf from a 10-40% Angus calf and the cost of such a stringent program would be cost prohibitive.
 
Brandonm2":r9flen9z said:
purecountry":r9flen9z said:
Carcass weights, YG's, ribeyes, marbling, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I would like to know, does this "AngusSource" tag mean that any of them have been DNA'ed to prove they have 5% Aberdeen Angus in them, let alone 51%? Or is it just another tag that's supposed to guarantee, what is actually a myth that all these black or RED cattle are coming from honest folks who would never put a CAB tag in a continental calf?

I am not an authority on DNA testing; but I doubt seriously that it could accurately differentiate a 50% Angus calf from a 10-40% Angus calf and the cost of such a stringent program would be cost prohibitive.

The UK Aberdeen Angus Society does it:

http://www.aberdeen-angus.co.uk/22ndJune%2005.pdf

I wouldn't think the same test would work for the AAA here. :lol:
 
purecountry":1axvzqs4 said:
Carcass weights, YG's, ribeyes, marbling, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I would like to know, does this "AngusSource" tag mean that any of them have been DNA'ed to prove they have 5% Aberdeen Angus in them, let alone 51%?

The AngusSource tag requires the owner to certify that the animals are sired by a registered Angus bull, thus are half Angus. The Red Angus tag requires the owner certify the calves are either sired by a Red Angus bull or out of a Red Angus cow.

Or is it just another tag that's supposed to guarantee, what is actually a myth that all these black or RED cattle are coming from honest folks who would never put a CAB tag in a continental calf?

I don't think there's such a thing as a "CAB tag". The animal isn't CAB until the meat grader stamps the carcass. There's not much use to put a tag in at that time. :) Continental influenced cattle can be CAB. They just have to be 51% or more black and meet the other specifictions. I think Certified Hereford Beef doesn't allow Continental influence????

Do you think it would be dishonest for someone to accept a CAB premium if the animals they bred didn't meet the criteria?
 
MikeC":1glf64xk said:
Brandonm2":1glf64xk said:
purecountry":1glf64xk said:
Carcass weights, YG's, ribeyes, marbling, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I would like to know, does this "AngusSource" tag mean that any of them have been DNA'ed to prove they have 5% Aberdeen Angus in them, let alone 51%? Or is it just another tag that's supposed to guarantee, what is actually a myth that all these black or RED cattle are coming from honest folks who would never put a CAB tag in a continental calf?

I am not an authority on DNA testing; but I doubt seriously that it could accurately differentiate a 50% Angus calf from a 10-40% Angus calf and the cost of such a stringent program would be cost prohibitive.

The UK Aberdeen Angus Society does it:

http://www.aberdeen-angus.co.uk/22ndJune%2005.pdf

I wouldn't think the same test would work for the AAA here. :lol:

I might have missed it but I didn't see where they were claiming they could distinguish between a 25% Angus and a 50% Angus and given the amount of Angus genes floating around some American continental breeds I am not sure how accurate that test would be here.
 
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