For all those thinking Global Warming.. think again.

[Limomike]

http://www.iceagenow.com/

 

[USMCRanchGirl]

Well, I guess there are two sides to every story ... and then there is somebody else's version of the truth.

So, first we had Global Cooling in the 70's, and then of course it was Acid Rain, and now Global Warming. IMO, I think the Earth has it's own cycles it goes through and while it's great that people are trying to be forward thinking and protect our grandkids from the effects of what we do today, nobody can really be sure of what's going to happen until we truly understand where the Earth has been before.

As far as Al Gore is concerned, I think being proactive is a good thing. Being fanatical and twisting reports to your advantage for political reasons - get real.

Boy, I'm really in a rant-and-rave mood this morning. Sorry. :oops:

 

[Limomike]

dont apologize... I feel strongly about that stuff too..

 

[cattleluvr18]

in world geo were watching An Inconvinet Truth. its really interesting. i dont agree with everything but he has some really intersting "facts". if what he all says is gonna happen within 50 years, im scared outta my mind. lets just say im glad i live in nebraska and not along a coast. some of that stuff is just plain freaky....im just gonna leave it at that.

 

[USMCRanchGirl]

if what he all says is gonna happen within 50 years, im scared outta my mind.

That's exactly it ... "if." The opposite opinion that focuses on the world going through it's usual cycles says that we may be due to hit the next ice age in the near future. So, one camp says too warm, the other says too cold. It's all a bunch of hooey until something actually happens.

 

[jcummins]

And…..Greenland today…in this age of global warming, is cover in snow and ice.



Islands off Greenland were sighted by Gunnbjörn Ulfsson when he was blown off course while sailing from Norway to Iceland, probably in the early 10th century. During the 980s, explorers from Iceland and Norway made the first European discoveries of mainland Greenland and, finding the land unpopulated, settled on the southwest coast. The name Greenland (Grænland in Old Norse and modern Icelandic, Grønland in modern Danish and Norwegian) has its roots in this colonization and is attributed to Erik the Red (the Inuit call it Kalaallit Nunaat, meaning "Land of the Kalaallit (Greenlanders)"). There are two written sources on the origin of the name, in the The Book of Icelanders (Íslendingabók), an historical work dealing with early Icelandic history from the 12th century, and in the medieval Icelandic saga, The Saga of Eric the Red (Eiriks saga rauða), which is about the Norse settlement in Greenland and the story of Eric the Red in particular. Both sources write: "He named the land Greenland, saying that people would be eager to go there if it had a good name."

At that time the inner regions of the long fjords where the settlements where located were very different from today. Excavations show that there were considerable birch woods with trees up to 4 to 6 meters in the area around the inner parts of the Tunuliarfik- and Aniaaq-fjords, the central area of the Eastern settlement, and the hills were grown with grass and willow brushes. This was due to the medieval climate optimum. The Norse soon changed the vegetation by cutting down the trees to use as building material and for heating and by extensive sheep and goat grazing during summer and winter. The climate in Greenland was much warmer during the first centuries of settlement but became increasingly colder in the 14th and 15th centuries with the approaching period of colder weather known as the Little Ice Age.

 

[jcummins]

I agree that the planet will go through cold/warm "cycles" but should that equate to us ignoring our contribution to the Ozone hole or "greenhouse gases" or pollution in general? Is it possible that our pollution has absolutely no effect on the climate?

Yes I think we are having some effect...to what degree I don't know. I do know the alarmist seem to totally ignore certain known facts, and the history of climate changes that have occurred. They present information to suit THEIR agenda, and that is the thing that gets me bent out of shape with this.

Whateven happen to common sense? or in another vein....why do we have so much greed and self serving talk.

 

[USMCRanchGirl]

I agree that the planet will go through cold/warm "cycles" but should that equate to us ignoring our contribution to the Ozone hole or "greenhouse gases" or pollution in general? Is it possible that our pollution has absolutely no effect on the climate?

Yes I think we are having some effect...to what degree I don't know. I do know the alarmist seem to totally ignore certain known facts, and the history of climate changes that have occurred. They present information to suit THEIR agenda, and that is the thing that gets me bent out of shape with this.

I agree. I'm sure that everything we do has an effect on this planet. And I think we should do everything we can to avoid polluting our planet in any form - garbage, emissions, etc. It's only common sense.

But, I do have a problem with politicians who form their own agenda, disregard what anyone has to say against that agenda, and twist the truth around to suit that agenda. If it's your opinion, then say it's your opinion and then try to convince me with honest facts that I should agree with you. Don't take studies intentionally slanted your direction and promote them as absolute truths. Don't use photos that look alarming, but in reality are perfectly normal and harmless, and use them to scare people into agreeing with you. Inform the public with straight-forward information and let us decide for ourselves. We are not a Nation of morons!!

 

[chrisy]

No...as long as it's not on my doorstep, I don't care attitude seems to be everywhere. Does fly tipping carry a fine in the US? if caught here it is a fine and a criminal record if not immprisonment.

 

[Beefy]

No...as long as it's not on my doorstep, I don't care attitude seems to be everywhere. Does fly tipping carry a fine in the US? if caught here it is a fine and a criminal record if not immprisonment.

ok i'll bite this time folks--
Chrisy- what is "fly tipping?"

 

[Limomike]

O.k.
Whose information do we trust? Are there not scientists that disagree on the data too?

If Global Warming is a man-made phenomena then, it's gonna cost a whole lot of money to fix it. The government is the only entity that has that kind of money. This, unfortunately, means politicians, who supposedly look out for our welfare. :roll:

I believe the human race has created pollution that is definitely effecting our lives in a negative way, just to pursue greed.

We have what used to be a nice creek running through our property. Now, the banks are covering with empty bottles, cans, diapers, tires etc. coming from upstream. Why pay $60 to the landfill when you can dump it all on the creekbank for free? I wonder if these people defacate in their own beds too.

That was why I posted the articles on that site to begin with.. These many astrophysicists (if thats the correct spelling) are saying that its NOT mainly the human race thats heating up our planet, BUT its the solar flares...that are heating up OUR planet.. AND.. others in our solar system as well. Cooling and heating up of our planet I believe does run in cycles.. ..
Now Chrissy.. I too would like to know.. just what is "fly tipping"???
I never tipped a fly ... unless it was a "BARFLY" lol

 

[backhoeboogie]

ok i'll bite this time folks--
Chrisy- what is "fly tipping?"

Don't truly know for sure but I have heard "flytipping" used to describe dumping chemicals illegally. It is like taking hazardous waste, diluting it, and slowing letting it leach into drains and such in hopes that it is diluted enough that it does not become detected. This would save lots of nickels on the cost of legal disposal.

 

[cattleluvr18]

And…..Greenland today…in this age of global warming, is cover in snow and ice.



Islands off Greenland were sighted by Gunnbjörn Ulfsson when he was blown off course while sailing from Norway to Iceland, probably in the early 10th century. During the 980s, explorers from Iceland and Norway made the first European discoveries of mainland Greenland and, finding the land unpopulated, settled on the southwest coast. The name Greenland (Grænland in Old Norse and modern Icelandic, Grønland in modern Danish and Norwegian) has its roots in this colonization and is attributed to Erik the Red (the Inuit call it Kalaallit Nunaat, meaning "Land of the Kalaallit (Greenlanders)"). There are two written sources on the origin of the name, in the The Book of Icelanders (Íslendingabók), an historical work dealing with early Icelandic history from the 12th century, and in the medieval Icelandic saga, The Saga of Eric the Red (Eiriks saga rauða), which is about the Norse settlement in Greenland and the story of Eric the Red in particular. Both sources write: "He named the land Greenland, saying that people would be eager to go there if it had a good name."

At that time the inner regions of the long fjords where the settlements where located were very different from today. Excavations show that there were considerable birch woods with trees up to 4 to 6 meters in the area around the inner parts of the Tunuliarfik- and Aniaaq-fjords, the central area of the Eastern settlement, and the hills were grown with grass and willow brushes. This was due to the medieval climate optimum. The Norse soon changed the vegetation by cutting down the trees to use as building material and for heating and by extensive sheep and goat grazing during summer and winter. The climate in Greenland was much warmer during the first centuries of settlement but became increasingly colder in the 14th and 15th centuries with the approaching period of colder weather known as the Little Ice Age.

see thats the problem. he says its fine and then al gore says its melting like big time everyday. who are we supposed to believe???

 

[J. T.]

Just remember the promise that God made after the flood. He said that the seasons would continue as He had set in motion. He never promised freedom from drought, storms, blizzards, etc. Point is, God put it all in motion and He is well aware of what's going on.

 

[Txwalt]

In modern times we have not witnessed some of the major natural calamaties that have been witness to this earth. That is a fact. We know through archeology that several ice ages have occured. That something killed all dinosaurs. That the dustbowl happened. That at the turn of the century some of the worst hurricanes in American history claimed tens of thousands of lives. Why do we think "Because its the coldest we ever felt it" "Or its the hottest I've ever been", that something terribly wrong is happening. Come on folks. This earth can put up with more than we can dish out.

Walt