First registered simmental

Are you going to join the Simmental association?

I bought a registered red angus this spring. I'm on the fence about joining the association because she is red. The area market wants black cattle so I don't think people would pay extra for registered red cattle. Anyone know how it works if a reg. red heifer has a black calf from a reg. black Angus? Is the black calf eligible to be registered with AAA?
 
Have registered beefmaster as well and haven't joined. They were to expensive just for having a few animals. Haven't looked into prices for the simmental association yet. Not going to be breeding this heifer to a simmental bull currently so at the moment don't think I will join but who knows what the future will hold. I may be looking at this heifers papers wrong but looks like she is inbred. Every breed seems to have different epds, really wish a sale put on by the association would have a breakdown of what they mean in the sale catalog for dumb people like me.
 
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Are you going to join the Simmental association?

I bought a registered red angus this spring. I'm on the fence about joining the association because she is red. The area market wants black cattle so I don't think people would pay extra for registered red cattle. Anyone know how it works if a reg. red heifer has a black calf from a reg. black Angus? Is the black calf eligible to be registered with AAA?
Where are you located? It doesn't say on your profile. If you are in Canada it's one association and it considers both reds and blacks to be Angus. The US is one of the few countries to have separate breed associations for the two colours.

Edit: reading your post a little more carefully I see you referenced the AAA, so probably in the US? Or Australia?:unsure:
 
Are you going to join the Simmental association?

I bought a registered red angus this spring. I'm on the fence about joining the association because she is red. The area market wants black cattle so I don't think people would pay extra for registered red cattle. Anyone know how it works if a reg. red heifer has a black calf from a reg. black Angus? Is the black calf eligible to be registered with AAA?
No, but it can be registered in the Red Angus Association.
 
the first ones I ever saw were red and white
Me too. About 1968,with the Hereford red( white except they had the red patches around the eyes. And Charolais first came down here about then, too. 1st to arrive were the bulls, and that is when the pallet-headed Simms and Chars got the name "cow-killers". People bought these bulls to breed to the 800 lb Angus and Hereford cows everyone had back then, and it was a disaster. Once cows got to showing up at the sale barns, and people bought Simm and Char cows, to breed to their Angus and Hereford bulls... well, that was a game changer! Herf x Simm, Her x Char, and Angus x Simm black baldy calves always topped the market at the sale barn. And the Char/Simm crosses were phenomenal cows. About that time, the county fairs added the commercial classes, and about every kid had a Simm/Char steer and/or heifer to show, and these always won. Then CAB came along about 1980, and that is when the Simms and other continental breeds started turning black. with the "breed up" programs most continental associations had.

We actually had a Black Simm in with the Corriente herd from mid-Jan til March this year. Had the 1st two born last week, and as far as we know, neither of the 700-750 cows had any problems birthing. Saturday we noticed those 2 had some pretty big day-old calves, and I checked the ear tag, and they were 2 that were exposed to the black Simm. We also had a Brangus x Chiangus bull in there at the time., but neither of these calves had even a hint of ear or leather, so they have to be Simm calves. Solid black calves from 2 black Corr cows.
 
We have a nice black sim angus bull on our cows and he has been there for the second year. He doesn't have a big head, his babies aren't huge either and the heifers don't have a problem calving. He has a real small white patch on his face. Most of the babies have been black or black baldies except from some char cross cows and the will be smokey or kind of yellow. 2 out of the 3 so far have been white faced. All have been polled, even out of a long horn cow. Year before last, his first year to produce a calf crop we had 1 red calf but we also had a pretty snaky brahma hereford young bull in there the boys must not have caught and castrated that I attribute the red calf to because everything else has been black. I think for us in NW LA this is a good cross, a lot of my cows have some ear and the babies tend to retain that, not a lot of leather so that's a plus and reasonably fast growth and a decent docility factor, maybe from him but maybe from handling them. We supplement with distillers grain and bread because both are inexpensive for us and we always call them in to feed in different locations and often feed them in the catch pen and close the gates which forces them to exit through the chute. I like the ross, I think the sim added a lot of what the bull contributes and if we have to change bulls I think we'll do the same although I'd consider an sim brangus if he's homozygous black and polled. I'm not willing to try to make a stand and raise too many colored calves to buck the trend and see if it makes a difference. I know we will get a premium for a black or black baldy and it costs the same to produce and raise them as a colored calf so why fight it despite the fact that the colored calf may be as "good". What I really deem as "good" is my check will be for more with the black ones
 
Are you going to join the Simmental association?

I bought a registered red angus this spring. I'm on the fence about joining the association because she is red. The area market wants black cattle so I don't think people would pay extra for registered red cattle. Anyone know how it works if a reg. red heifer has a black calf from a reg. black Angus? Is the black calf eligible to be registered with AAA?
You can't with AAA, but I think you can with RAA.
 
@Warren Allison & @Stonewall Joe
You two have no idea how appalled I was when I first started viewing Cattle Today. I had not been to a Livestock Auction literally for years.
Would sell a few calves if I had any cows, was not following the market or trends. It's like I had been asleep for 30 yrs. and wake up and find every breed of cattle has turned black. Even the local guy that has always bought calves from ranchers, is making it clear that his buyer will not take anything that is not black. Any calves that don't meet his buyers specs are put into a feedlot by him (the guy that buys the calves locally).

I hope I state this correctly, but my understanding is that the three primary breeds used to expedite the development of the Simmental cattle in the United States were the Angus and the Hereford and Shorthorn (in an effort to maintain the color)...

But it is interesting how difficult it is for some to acknowledge what built the breed they have.
 
Are you going to join the Simmental association?

I bought a registered red angus this spring. I'm on the fence about joining the association because she is red. The area market wants black cattle so I don't think people would pay extra for registered red cattle. Anyone know how it works if a reg. red heifer has a black calf from a reg. black Angus? Is the black calf eligible to be registered with AAA?
If someone from the association would make the effort to give you call to ask you to join then I would. I doubt that would happen.
 
We have a nice black sim angus bull on our cows and he has been there for the second year. He doesn't have a big head, his babies aren't huge either and the heifers don't have a problem calving. He has a real small white patch on his face. Most of the babies have been black or black baldies except from some char cross cows and the will be smokey or kind of yellow. 2 out of the 3 so far have been white faced. All have been polled, even out of a long horn cow. Year before last, his first year to produce a calf crop we had 1 red calf but we also had a pretty snaky brahma hereford young bull in there the boys must not have caught and castrated that I attribute the red calf to because everything else has been black. I think for us in NW LA this is a good cross, a lot of my cows have some ear and the babies tend to retain that, not a lot of leather so that's a plus and reasonably fast growth and a decent docility factor, maybe from him but maybe from handling them. We supplement with distillers grain and bread because both are inexpensive for us and we always call them in to feed in different locations and often feed them in the catch pen and close the gates which forces them to exit through the chute. I like the ross, I think the sim added a lot of what the bull contributes and if we have to change bulls I think we'll do the same although I'd consider an sim brangus if he's homozygous black and polled. I'm not willing to try to make a stand and raise too many colored calves to buck the trend and see if it makes a difference. I know we will get a premium for a black or black baldy and it costs the same to produce and raise them as a colored calf so why fight it despite the fact that the colored calf may be as "good". What I really deem as "good" is my check will be for more with the black ones
You can have variety in your pasture and still have a black calf crop. Clay used to buy red Angus, Hereford, red Simms, red Limms, red Gelbievs.. whatever he found a deal on, because they were cheaper than black cows. He bred them to his reg Brangus bulls, and always got black polled calves. He'd buy red Brangus, Gerts, Brafords, Beefmasters, and red Simbrah, and breed them to a Chi- Angus bull, and aways got black polled calves. Like you said, you can use the off-colored cows, just get a homo for black and polled bull, and you don't have to leave any CA premium on the table.
 

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