Fighting Bulls

[ga. prime]

I have a Red Angus and a Black Angus bull of similar age and weight. I"ve had them in the same pasture with some cows (mostly bred) for about three weeks. They have been pushing and shoving the whole time. However, this morning the red bull had his tongue hanging out and was drrooling badly. he looked like he had been run through the desert. The black bull didn't even look tired.the black bull was just trailing afew feet behind the red one and if the red one stopped the black one started pushing. I'm afraid the red is going to wind up dead if this doesn't stop. What is going on here? Would nose rings help? Both bulls are about two years old and weigh 1500 or so pounds. Any tips on putting the nose rings on? I would like to hear from people with similar experiences and what the outcome was.

 

[Jake]

about the only choice you have is to seperate or let them fight it out....

 

[Running Arrow Bill]

Two mature bulls in same pasture with cows "mostly bred" is a wreck waiting to happen. One bull could seriously injure or kill the other one. Only viable solution is to put bulls in separate pastures. Or, sell one; or, shoot and eat one...lol.

Even yearling bulls just coming into service in that situation is a wreck waiting to happen.

:roll:

 

[Campground Cattle]

I have a Red Angus and a Black Angus bull of similar age and weight. I"ve had them in the same pasture with some cows (mostly bred) for about three weeks. They have been pushing and shoving the whole time. However, this morning the red bull had his tongue hanging out and was drrooling badly. he looked like he had been run through the desert. The black bull didn't even look tired.the black bull was just trailing afew feet behind the red one and if the red one stopped the black one started pushing. I'm afraid the red is going to wind up dead if this doesn't stop. What is going on here? Would nose rings help? Both bulls are about two years old and weigh 1500 or so pounds. Any tips on putting the nose rings on? I would like to hear from people with similar experiences and what the outcome was.

Thats what bulls do is fight and -- .Better seperate them before you end up with one for the sale barn. They will fight until the pecking order is established or one is hurt bad or dead.

 

[cattle_gal]

Take one of the bulls out for awhile and let the other bull finish breeding the rest of the cows or rotate. However if the 1st bull does nothing except herd the cows then take him out and put the 2nd one in.

There's no breeding or girl sniffing going on as long as these 2 bullies are fighting, leaving valuable breeding opportunities going by the wayside. If you are done breeding take them both out away from the cows to get them settled down.

Another option get on this black bulls behind and get some manors in him. 4 wheelers do a wonderful job.

Worst case scenario, Mr. Black Bullie says bye bye. If he’s 2 and does this he’s going to get worse and will start to herd the cows instead of love on them. As you can tell I don't put up with that attitude.

Rings must be something more for confined herds than big pastured herds.

Oh one thing I didn't see was how many cows are in with the bulls and what acreage? Small acreage could also put a crimp on bull friendliness. And has these bulls been together prior to 3 weeks ago? If not then there was no getting to know each other before breeding started.

 

[Jake]

It isn't the black bulls fall it's those things between his legs and the testosterone in his system. If he's even the slightest bit stronger he won't allow the red bull to get near the cows cuzz they are his. They really do need seperated but without knowing what options there are they may have to stay close. maybe a good HOT wire could be run to keep the red bull away from the black one and vice versa, give the red bull a female buddy and your problems are solved til something happens. Which is inevitable, two bulls of equal size is a no win situation. They are gunna fight til injury or death and will go through fences to get to each other. That's why it's best to put bulls of different age and weight together.
ok I'm done preachin'
Jake

 

[Texan]

Guess I'll offer a little different perspective for you. If you need both bulls and plan on keeping both bulls, I'd let them finish their business now. Once they determine pecking order, things may run smoothly for a long time, if not forever. Of course, there's always the possibility that the weaker bull will feel up to a challenge at some point in the future. But one thing is for sure--if you interfere now, they will just have to start all over again next time they're together.

Crippled bulls are a cost of doing business. If I'm going to have a crippled bull, I'd rather have him now than when bulls are worth 45-50 cents!

 

[cattle_gal]

Crippled bulls are a cost of doing business. If I'm going to have a crippled bull, I'd rather have him now than when bulls are worth 45-50 cents!

Ahh makes me so glad I get bulls that have the get along additude. In fact ours sometimes help each other out. Yeah really. One or 2 will be beside the cow and the other will have fun and then some how they all take turns.

Haven't had a grudge match (injury, broken legs, broken you know what) in 14 years when we changed to a different breed of bulls. Get down to business and won't bachelor off until we take them out.

 

[Jake]

Crippled bulls are a cost of doing business. If I'm going to have a crippled bull, I'd rather have him now than when bulls are worth 45-50 cents!

Ahh makes me so glad I get bulls that have the get along additude. In fact ours sometimes help each other out. Yeah really. One or 2 will be beside the cow and the other will have fun and then some how they all take turns.

Haven't had a be nice match (injury, broken legs, broken you know what) in 14 years when we changed to a different breed of bulls. Get down to business and won't bachelor off until we take them out.

go out there at night sometime and see how get along they are... bulls are meant to fight, it's a part of them. I've never seen a bull that will leave other bulls alone at all costs... and when they're breeding cows together that's when one will end up with a broken penis.

 

[Wewild]

broken penis

Or leg. Seen them both happen.

 

[cattle_gal]

Jake I know my cattle. Better come up here and see your first non lethal breeding bulls. I got ride of the bad fighting temperments a long time ago. And the bulls I sell aren't any different. They can behave and still do the manly job. It got old fixing fence and feeling like you need to be around them with a D7 Cat and selling bulls with broken legs and others parts way before their time and it also ends up one of those days your going to be in the right place at the wrong time and get hurt. The 3 different neighbors have the same fighting temperment in their bulls. With 2 different breeds of bulls. Now don't you think that if I notice those outside ranches bulls fighting that I'd know what my bulls are like. Lets look at it another way. If you had a stallion would you let him get away with the attitude like the fighting bulls did if another stud looked at him cross ways. If you can have manors in a stud you can have manors in a bull.

 

[hillbilly]

[ Lets look at it another way. If you had a stallion would you let him get away with the attitude like the fighting bulls did if another stud looked at him cross ways. If you can have manors in a stud you can have manors in a bull.[/quote]


I've been around horses for a long time.
I've never seen two studs that would not fight at any opportunity.

Hillbilly

 

[Craig-TX]

Sounds like you just happen to catch them right after the red bull got whipped. We run bulls together year round and fighting comes with the territory.

Craig-TX

 

[D.R. Cattle]

Hate to see them fight too much, but the cows are gonna get bred in double time with competition. Have seen them kill one another by cracked ribs puncturing a lung. I like to be sure that one is dominant and the order is established quickly.

 

[Running Arrow Bill]

We're running 3 bulls with 3 different cow groups now and one more bull to add with his females in January. Bulls and their females kept in areas separated by 14 foot wide alleyway. Weaned bulls until breeding age are kept together in one area...they work out their differences as young ones; however, two would not be put with same cow group.

 

[Frankie]

Take one of the bulls out for awhile and let the other bull finish breeding the rest of the cows or rotate. However if the 1st bull does nothing except herd the cows then take him out and put the 2nd one in.

There's no breeding or girl sniffing going on as long as these 2 bullies are fighting, leaving valuable breeding opportunities going by the wayside. If you are done breeding take them both out away from the cows to get them settled down.

Another option get on this black bulls behind and get some manors in him. 4 wheelers do a wonderful job.

Worst case scenario, Mr. Black Bullie says bye bye. If he’s 2 and does this he’s going to get worse and will start to herd the cows instead of love on them. As you can tell I don't put up with that attitude.

Rings must be something more for confined herds than big pastured herds.

Oh one thing I didn't see was how many cows are in with the bulls and what acreage? Small acreage could also put a crimp on bull friendliness. And has these bulls been together prior to 3 weeks ago? If not then there was no getting to know each other before breeding started.

Disagree with this. Bulls will fight for the right to breed. We ran two Angus bulls, same age, same size, together. Every time we'd go check the cows they would be fighting. I thought we'd probably not have a calf crop, but we did have a good calf crop. Yes, they fought, but they also bred cows.

 

[Frankie]

Crippled bulls are a cost of doing business. If I'm going to have a crippled bull, I'd rather have him now than when bulls are worth 45-50 cents!

Ahh makes me so glad I get bulls that have the get along additude. In fact ours sometimes help each other out. Yeah really. One or 2 will be beside the cow and the other will have fun and then some how they all take turns.

Haven't had a grudge match (injury, broken legs, broken you know what) in 14 years when we changed to a different breed of bulls. Get down to business and won't bachelor off until we take them out.

I'm curious as to what breed of bull won't fight for the right to breed. Please take time to share.....

 

[Jake]

I'm curious too, what breed doesn't fight? Some bulls are fighters, they live to fight, but there has never been a bull I've seen that won't protect his right to his cows, and/or get new cows...

 

[greenwillowherefords]

Crippled bulls are a cost of doing business. If I'm going to have a crippled bull, I'd rather have him now than when bulls are worth 45-50 cents!

Ahh makes me so glad I get bulls that have the get along additude. In fact ours sometimes help each other out. Yeah really. One or 2 will be beside the cow and the other will have fun and then some how they all take turns.

Haven't had a grudge match (injury, broken legs, broken you know what) in 14 years when we changed to a different breed of bulls. Get down to business and won't bachelor off until we take them out.

I'm curious as to what breed of bull won't fight for the right to breed. Please take time to share.....

My thoughts exactly. I do think there are some bulls that are more prone to stay with their own cows instead of run the fence looking for someone else.

 

[TimSweat]

:cry: I HAD the same problem till yesterday! One bull ended up with a broke back/ spinal injury. Can't butcher him cause he can't walk into slaughter house-new Fed regs. Only choices are burial or self butchering. I don't like waste. All this is my fault though, I knew better. Bulls were just bulls being natural. Get them apart ---two broke bulls are not worth what one good one is!