Fetal Protection Vaccinations Today

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I vaccinated two pregnant cows and three pregnant heifers today with Bovi-Shield Gold FP 5 L5. I also vaccinated them with Clostridal One Shot Ultra 8 and did parasite control. The 2 cows and 3 heifers were vaccinated prior to breeding with Bovi-Shield so they had previously been exposed. This is the first time other than the heifer that i thought was open, that I have vaccinated pregnant cows/heifers with the Bovi-Shield MLV vaccine. bse, I saw your response on the other thread that you are still not vaccinating pregnant animals with FP MLV. I think it is time to start.
 
I wouldn't be scared to but with my program I have set times to do things, on the first or second of Nov is vaccination day, there done calving around the middle of Oct, I start A I ing around Dec 1st so everything has a time, fall calvers get Bovi Gold FP5 L5 HB and Ultrachoice 7 with Dectomax inj spring calvers get Staybred and Dectomax at the same time then in mid Apr it swaps as to what each group gets so on this deal I have no preg cows at vaccination time
 
bse":2km7zgrd said:
I wouldn't be scared to but with my program I have set times to do things, on the first or second of Nov is vaccination day, there done calving around the middle of Oct, I start A I ing around Dec 1st so everything has a time, fall calvers get Bovi Gold FP5 L5 HB and Ultrachoice 7 with Dectomax inj spring calvers get Staybred and Dectomax at the same time then in mid Apr it swaps as to what each group gets so on this deal I have no preg cows at vaccination time

One thing that came out of the discussion on Fetal Protection. I have never thought about vaccinating the bull for fetal protection but Lucky_P mentioned they can become infected. I guess in the future I will include the bull.
 
Ron,
Recent immunologic studies have indicated that injectible vaccines containing IBR - even the inactivated ones - interfere with immune response to most bacterins, except Lepto. So... current recommendations are to not administer injectible products containing IBR at the same time as bacterins like Clostridials or Pasteurella/Mannheimia.
You may not be getting the expected/desired response to the bacterins, if you give 'em at the same time as the viral vaccine.

Exception is the new Bovi-Shield Gold 5/One-Shot combo; they've worked around various combos/adjuvants, etc., 'til they got it right. They still don't recommend giving the regular BSG5 and One-Shot products at the same time, but somehow, with the combo deal, they worked around the interference.
 
Lucky_P":2hiu0cw2 said:
Ron,
Recent immunologic studies have indicated that injectible vaccines containing IBR - even the inactivated ones - interfere with immune response to most bacterins, except Lepto. So... current recommendations are to not administer injectible products containing IBR at the same time as bacterins like Clostridials or Pasteurella/Mannheimia.
You may not be getting the expected/desired response to the bacterins, if you give 'em at the same time as the viral vaccine.

Exception is the new Bovi-Shield Gold 5/One-Shot combo; they've worked around various combos/adjuvants, etc., 'til they got it right. They still don't recommend giving the regular BSG5 and One-Shot products at the same time, but somehow, with the combo deal, they worked around the interference.
Glad to know that Lucky. I will hit them again with the Clostridial when the chance presents itself.
 
Lucky_P":15ajdz25 said:
Recent immunologic studies have indicated that injectible vaccines containing IBR - even the inactivated ones - interfere with immune response to most bacterins, except Lepto. So... current recommendations are to not administer injectible products containing IBR at the same time as bacterins like Clostridials or Pasteurella/Mannheimia.

I followed this advice today. I usually vaccinate heifers I hold over with Bovi-Shield FP 5 L5 their first go round and hit them with Alpha 7 at the same time. Three to four week booster calls for Bovi-Shield BRSV. I decided to wait and use the Clostridial (Alpha 7) at that time.

fitz
 
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fitz":1omwnyak said:
Lucky_P":1omwnyak said:
Recent immunologic studies have indicated that injectible vaccines containing IBR - even the inactivated ones - interfere with immune response to most bacterins, except Lepto. So... current recommendations are to not administer injectible products containing IBR at the same time as bacterins like Clostridials or Pasteurella/Mannheimia.

Lucky_P - Never herd this before. Do you have a link to one of the studies. Should be an interesting read.
 
Here's one for starters:
http://avmajournals.avma.org/doi/abs/10 ... lCode=ajvr
Don't have another reference handy, but Dr. Cortese indicated that the IBR interference was a problem for Clostridial bacterin/toxoids, as well.

Disease pressures and management schemes vary widely across the country, and often are quite different even in small localities.
What works well or is absolutely necessary on one operation or in one herd may be inadequate or even overkill in others.

I have a closed herd with no fence-to-fence contact with other cattle. Only outside introduction in the past 25 years is a bull, purchased in 2006. I have minimal to no risk, with regard to IBR/BVD.
However, if you(generic) or your across-the-fence neighbor are constantly trading cattle, buying cattle at the salebarn, or traveling to and from shows... you might need to do more.

Granted, the sample I see on a regular basis is biased - they're submissions from producers who have a veterinarian regularly involved in their herd health program - or those who've finally taken a big enough hit in the pocketbook that they finally seek professional help. But...in my service area (mainly western KY, middle/western TN, SE MO, southern IL), I haven't seen a BVD abortion in 20 years; see an IBR abortion maybe every 5-10 years. Doesn't mean they don't happen - I just don't see them. Have never seen a viral abortion storm, much less one we could link to use of MLV vaccines. Rarely see Lepto abortions - haven't diagnosed one in the past year.
Is it because our producers are doing such a great job managing their herd health programs? I doubt it.
We're diagnosing Neospora abortion on an increasingly common basis - had a couple in my own herd this summer.
I do find BVD virus in close to 25% of BRD cases, so it's out there. We sometimes go decades without finding IBR or PI3 in BRD cases. Again, disease pressures are different in different parts of the country.

Steers and non-replacement heifers, slated for sale off our operation get two doses of Clostridial bacterin between 1&3 months of age. Pre-weaning, they get intranasal IBR/BVD/PI3 and Pasteurella/Mannheimia bacterin/toxoid. I think it's the right thing to do for the calf - and for the next person in the production chain - and, ultimately, for all of us in the beef industry.
Cows and replacement heifers here get only a 5-way Lepto HB twice yearly - and a Clostridial booster every 3 years or so.
Is that enough? For my operation, I think it's adequate - but may not be for others. Best to have a discussion with your veterinarian to assess your risk and needs.
 
Lucky_P, I could never have a closed herd without putting about $4,000 of fence between me and the neighbor. Right now we share about 3500 feet of fence line. It is a fence that he and I shared the expense of constructing. It is treated post with high tensile woven wire. We both have bulls and so far they have not been able to get across even when he or I have a cow in heat. But our cattle greet each other on a regular basis through the fence. I am very strict about the kind of cattle I procure but he is not. He is a wonderful neighbor but he manages his cows at a much lower threshold. He brings in cows that are not far above dead. Many come from the stockyard sales. I buy all of my cows from the farms with good reputations. I don't think he gives any shots or ever treats for flies or parasites. Some of his pasture drains onto me so the life cycles of parasites in his cattle will continue to be my problem too. I could build another fenceline on my side to prevent contact but I prefer to just keep my cattle well vaccinated. It seems to be working as I have not had a sick cow or an abortion since I started about 3 years ago.
 

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