etiquette question

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So, there is sort of a tradition of neighbors sharing costs on shared fences. I am getting ready to replace some really old fence between me and a neighbor that isn't a ranch. it was at one time but has been a museum and foundation for more than 50 years. they used to have a caretaker that they let have a few cows and some mules on but it has been a long time and several directors that are not really into cows or horses anymore. in fact the bulk of their property has been "designated" a wildlife preserve. :rolleyes: (this is an added factor because Arizona is a fence out state and legally if they didn't want my cows on their preserve they would be responsible for fencing them out. I am not the type of jerk that lives like that, but it is a fact)

Anyway, I get along with the current director in a barely know the guy way that makes me bashful about trying to hit them up for some help on paying for it. What would you do?
 
So, there is sort of a tradition of neighbors sharing costs on shared fences. I am getting ready to replace some really old fence between me and a neighbor that isn't a ranch. it was at one time but has been a museum and foundation for more than 50 years. they used to have a caretaker that they let have a few cows and some mules on but it has been a long time and several directors that are not really into cows or horses anymore. in fact the bulk of their property has been "designated" a wildlife preserve. :rolleyes: (this is an added factor because Arizona is a fence out state and legally if they didn't want my cows on their preserve they would be responsible for fencing them out. I am not the type of jerk that lives like that, but it is a fact)

Anyway, I get along with the current director in a barely know the guy way that makes me bashful about trying to hit them up for some help on paying for it. What would you do?
Any kind of museum/foundation/wildlife preserve that has a "director" has a grant writer.

I would ask the director-you-barely-know about it and ask if they are worried at all about their weak fences... "since Arizona is a fence out state" and you are worried about the continuing deterioration of "their" fence... and you don't want your cattle causing them any problems. You might even point out that you've been maintaining "their" fence at your own expense and have been happy to do it.

What I'm saying is that the guy doesn't have to pay for anything if he can finagle a grant. It's in his best interests... so remind him.
 
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Start the conversation by telling him your thoughts and then casually ask if their foundation has any input on the design. It would also help to say that it is the custom for neighbors to split the cost. Mentioning the fence out rule might not hurt. Maybe they will volunteer to put up some of the costs without you asking.
 
I don't agree that the "only person it benefits is you". In a fence out state, it would seem that the benefit would accrue to the one who does not want cattle grazing on their land. While it appears Hippie rancher has no intention of allowing his cattle to graze on neighboring land, it would likely be ruled in his favor, should that occur. For that reason, it would be best for the foundation to pay for the fence, in order to prevent that occurrence. Personally, I would at least ask for a financial contribution, and point out the local land laws. If turned down, I would end up paying for it myself, because I don't want animals out of my control, even if that is within my rights.

We have a similar situation here. We have a mile of fence bordering one of Knife Rivers rock pits. The fence is in very poor condition, and would not keep animals in. We abandoned that pasture a number of years ago because it is mostly wooded and the terrain makes fencing very difficult. With the drought now extending for about a decade, I had hoped to repair the fence in order to graze some of the high meadows. We approached local Knife River management about sharing the costs. State law requires that both sides pay for fencing, whether or not they both graze that land. Knife River indicated they would not share expenses. We did not pursue it, because it would likely cost more in legal expenses than what we might have eventually received. I had actually hoped that they would volunteer some equipment hours to clear the line. I suggested it, and they did agree to have someone survey the line, which I was good with. It turned out the "surveyor" was just a guy with an Onx app on his phone. He marked things well inside our border which he admitted. He said he was told to just assure we didn't cross over onto their line. The pit had tried to buy some of the hillside from us in the past. Their current operation breaks some DOGAMI rules regarding the steepness of the slope along our border, so they could be required to fill in or purchase land from us to correct this. If I wanted to be confrontational, I might have pointed this out. Our access is through Knife River land, so I really don't want to get into a situation where they make things difficult. We have always had a pretty good relationship with the pit. At least that was always true before it was sold to Knife River.
 
I don't agree that the "only person it benefits is you". In a fence out state, it would seem that the benefit would accrue to the one who does not want cattle grazing on their land. While it appears Hippie rancher has no intention of allowing his cattle to graze on neighboring land, it would likely be ruled in his favor, should that occur. For that reason, it would be best for the foundation to pay for the fence, in order to prevent that occurrence. Personally, I would at least ask for a financial contribution, and point out the local land laws. If turned down, I would end up paying for it myself, because I don't want animals out of my control, even if that is within my rights.

We have a similar situation here. We have a mile of fence bordering one of Knife Rivers rock pits. The fence is in very poor condition, and would not keep animals in. We abandoned that pasture a number of years ago because it is mostly wooded and the terrain makes fencing very difficult. With the drought now extending for about a decade, I had hoped to repair the fence in order to graze some of the high meadows. We approached local Knife River management about sharing the costs. State law requires that both sides pay for fencing, whether or not they both graze that land. Knife River indicated they would not share expenses. We did not pursue it, because it would likely cost more in legal expenses than what we might have eventually received. I had actually hoped that they would volunteer some equipment hours to clear the line. I suggested it, and they did agree to have someone survey the line, which I was good with. It turned out the "surveyor" was just a guy with an Onx app on his phone. He marked things well inside our border which he admitted. He said he was told to just assure we didn't cross over onto their line. The pit had tried to buy some of the hillside from us in the past. Their current operation breaks some DOGAMI rules regarding the steepness of the slope along our border, so they could be required to fill in or purchase land from us to correct this. If I wanted to be confrontational, I might have pointed this out. Our access is through Knife River land, so I really don't want to get into a situation where they make things difficult. We have always had a pretty good relationship with the pit. At least that was always true before it was sold to Knife River.
It may have that effect but whose responsibility is it to get the cows back off their place? That’s my point
 
It may have that effect but whose responsibility is it to get the cows back off their place? That's my point
If they aren't fenced out you could leave them as long as they wanted to stay. Fenced out means it is open range. I know it is a completely foreign idea for those who don't live in open range areas. But cows can go anywhere and stay as long as they want. If you don't want them on your property you have to build a fence.
 
If they aren't fenced out you could leave them as long as they wanted to stay. Fenced out means it is open range. I know it is a completely foreign idea for those who don't live in open range areas. But cows can go anywhere and stay as long as they want. If you don't want them on your property you have to build a fence.
it is a nice little pasture over there, rolling hills and grassy, maybe 2.5 sections, sometimes has water in a couple of old dirt ponds from back when it was ranchy. this has given me an idea for a possible way to open the conversation. maybe I should approach with a lease offer of some kind. I know they won't do it but on the off chance, the fencing work for THAT is much easier and accessible. LOL
 
So, there is sort of a tradition of neighbors sharing costs on shared fences. I am getting ready to replace some really old fence between me and a neighbor that isn't a ranch. it was at one time but has been a museum and foundation for more than 50 years. they used to have a caretaker that they let have a few cows and some mules on but it has been a long time and several directors that are not really into cows or horses anymore. in fact the bulk of their property has been "designated" a wildlife preserve. :rolleyes: (this is an added factor because Arizona is a fence out state and legally if they didn't want my cows on their preserve they would be responsible for fencing them out. I am not the type of jerk that lives like that, but it is a fact)

Anyway, I get along with the current director in a barely know the guy way that makes me bashful about trying to hit them up for some help on paying for it. What would you do?
I think you should check the law because "fence out" usually means if you don't want livestock on your property, it is your responsibility to fence them out...NOT the owner of the livestock. Free pasture for you if the fence goes down, and they're responsible for fixing it...
 

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