Ethanol/ Nuclear

[Campground Cattle]

Corn farmers pray for progress but fight change that is benificial to every American.
Its time to come out of the dark ages we have the technology to produce safe cheap and reliable energy. If we could ever get past the pork barrel politics of the midwest and really let free enterprize work.
http://www.nuc.berkeley.edu/thyd/ne161/ ... nvironment

 

[Wewild]

We live in the same county as one of the largest fossil fueled power generating plants in the country. Lists as number 13 and 17 in the link below. They are at the same Plant. I really guess that makes them #3 if the same is true for the other two on the list.

Seems like number 1 and 2 turbines are are not on the list. They have 4 turbines.

I like nuclear.

Got a cousin who works at the Vogtle nuclear plant.

http://leahy.senate.gov/issues/environment/ca_stats.html

 

[glover36]

we have an ethanol plant going up north of us

 

[Wewild]

we have an ethanol plant going up north of us

It won't be as dirty as ours. We still burn high sulfer coal due to existing contracts.

It also won't be as clean as it could if it was nuclear.

Our Plant Bowen is listed at 3.2 million kw making it #2 in the nation.

 

[Campground Cattle]

we have an ethanol plant going up north of us

It won't be as dirty as ours. We still burn high sulfer coal due to existing contracts.

It also won't be as clean as it could if it was nuclear.

America needs a long range sustainable energy plan, not the knee jerk warm and fuzzy plans of today that get politicans to pork barrel through. Look at what one bad hurricane season did to our oil production and refining. At least all we had to do is repair it and get it back on line. A couple of bad drought years or some other plague to cause a corn crop failure and we are screwed until the next year.
Nuclear is our ticket.

 

[Wewild]

Nuclear is our ticket.

I'm in.

I would like learning to be equal distributed. Not that it can because of the situations involved.

I like what Thomas Jefferson said about the population electing their own representives.

 

[Mahoney Pursley Ranch]

Nuclear vehicles? Yup would be wonderful to run a nuclear fuel cell in a vehicle for 20 years. Try to put the oil industry out of business. Impossible.

 

[Wewild]

Nuclear vehicles? Yup would be wonderful to run a nuclear fuel cell in a vehicle for 20 years. Try to put the oil industry out of business. Impossible.

Who said anything about vehicles?

Someone better figure out how to put fossil fuel out of business because they ain't making anymore of it.

I also reference my last post last sentence. You may qualify.

 

[Campground Cattle]

Nuclear vehicles? Yup would be wonderful to run a nuclear fuel cell in a vehicle for 20 years. Try to put the oil industry out of business. Impossible.

We don't even have to go to nuclear vehicles if we could get our electrical grid under control. We have a huge energy appetite in our homes. Population keeps growing, look at today's electrical service on our homes. Thirty years ago the average home had a 100 amp service with room to spare, today you need 200 amp service.
We do need to head to alternate vehicle fuels that are sustainable.
Oil is more than fuel its plastic's, medicine, polymers, etc.
The carpet in your house is oil, the styrofoam cup or plate is oil, the plastic bottle comes in is oil and on and on.
Start looking around at the plastic in your life, we are a wasteful society. We want our cake and eat it to.

 

[Mahoney Pursley Ranch]

I used VEHICLES as a HUGE primary source of energy use.I realize there are many many other uses of fossil fuel products. Wewild I'm not quite sure how to take your statement about "I may qualify" :?:

 

[Wewild]

Wewild I'm not quite sure how to take your statement about "I may qualify" :?:

Nuclear vehicles? Yup would be wonderful to run a nuclear fuel cell in a vehicle for 20 years. Try to put the oil industry out of business. Impossible.

Help me understand where nuclear vehicles came from. No one said it before you.

 

[Angus Guy]

Just a question don't anybody be offended but isn't comparing ethenol to nuclear like comparing apples to coconuts?

 

[Mahoney Pursley Ranch]

Wewild I'm not quite sure how to take your statement about "I may qualify" :?:

Nuclear vehicles? Yup would be wonderful to run a nuclear fuel cell in a vehicle for 20 years. Try to put the oil industry out of business. Impossible.

Help me understand where nuclear vehicles came from. No one said it before you.

See my last post. Not hard to understand.

 

[Wewild]

Just a question don't anybody be offended but isn't comparing ethenol to nuclear like comparing apples to coconuts?

Not when it comes to the output potential of each. Electricity for one.

I realize that me and my children are gona be ok. At some point in time the price and availability of fossil fuel will be high or gone. Just look at the increases recently.

I like to think about my great grand childrens quality of life.

 

[Wewild]

See my last post. Not hard to understand.

Does that mean you brought it up?

 

[Mahoney Pursley Ranch]

See my last post. Not hard to understand.

Does that mean you brought it up?

Obviously I did. What's your point?

 

[Wewild]

See my last post. Not hard to understand.

Does that mean you brought it up?

Obviously I did. What's your point?

Why?
I would think a hydrogen based cell is what is coming.

 

[Angus Guy]

Maybe I've missed something but isn't ethenol only used in the gas for cars nad trucks? And by the same token is nuclear only used in electricity generation? Would seem to me that it is hard make one out as better than the other.

 

[Mahoney Pursley Ranch]

See my last post. Not hard to understand.

Does that mean you brought it up?

Obviously I did. What's your point?

Why?
I would think a hydrogen based cell is what is coming.

That is what I thought at one time (hydrogen) but as has been pointed out on these forums before,and I now agree,hydrogen would cost more to produce to propel a vehicle than the avaiable energy used.

 

[Wewild]

That is what I thought at one time (hydrogen) but as has been pointed out on these forums before,and I now agree,hydrogen would cost more to produce to propel a vehicle than the avaiable energy used.

With today's technology .... maybe so.... maybe not.

It will be there for us.

Fuel cell tech is just now being funded better due to Bush.

You do see fossil fuel won't be here down the road ... don't you?