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[Caustic Burno]

I really like the looks of a Murray Grey bull.
Has anyone used one on commercial girls and what color pattern do you get off red baldie cows
Cream wouldn't hurt at the barn other than that it better be black red baldie or yellow baldie.
That box of crayons on the trailer would hurt you here.

 

[gizmom]

CB

The only thing I know about the breed is what I have seen here on CT. But I sure like the ones posted on here, will be interested in hearing from folks that have some experience with crossing them. Keep us posted on what you decide to do.

Gizmom

 

[JWBrahman]

Go back and look at CMF1's posts, he used a Murray Grey bull on tigerstripes and Brahman. Box of crayons is what you get on Brafords, solid brown is what you get with Grey Brahman

Not a large sample, but if I remember correctly the Murray Grey produced, BWF, Silver White Face, and one normal red and white on the Brafords.

 

[Nesikep]

I'd like to see Backbone's MG's with Dubcharo's Chars.. Similar phenotypes and different breeds might yield some good hybrid vigor

 

[Caustic Burno]

Go back and look at CMF1's posts, he used a Murray Grey bull on tigerstripes and Brahman. Box of crayons is what you get on Brafords, solid brown is what you get with Grey Brahman

Not a large sample, but if I remember correctly the Murray Grey produced, BWF, Silver White Face, and one normal red and white on the Brafords.

That scratches them off the list, I am not changing out my brafords.

 

[Muddy]

Maybe crossing Murray greys with black Angus works better?

 

[JWBrahman]

Muddy, Backbone posted photos of Black Angus x MG crosses a while back. There is not a lot of wiggle room to experiment this year. So it boils down to cattlemen in our area figuring out which Black Angus bull to use on white faced cattle. Crazy looking calves may go down to $1/lb by late summer.

CB you know as well as I do what we have to do for the next two years to make money. We have to deliver a 50% Angus calf with no more than 1/4 ear that is in Lin with industry demand. The price at the barn will be weak so the money will be made on inputs. If your herd numbers are lower AI makes a lot of financial sense.

 

[Backbone Ranch]

To be honest, I have no idea what a Murray Grey would do over a Braford. However, there are many black Murray Grey bulls that have good growth that have semen available. A few in particular have the ability to consistently produce dark chocolate or black calves. A few that come to mind include Gentle Acres Trojan, Lindale Hobo, and Eagles Run Tor.
Eagles Run Tor and Lindale Hobo can be found on this site. If you click on the name of the bull, a photo and information on the bull pops up.
http://www.eaglesrun.com/sale/salesemen.html

Gentle Acres Trojan is shown below.

Information can be found on Trojan at the following link.
http://murraygreycows.com/reference-sires/#Trojan

These are just the few bulls that I have seen progeny from. I am sure that there are plenty of other good, dark Murray Grey bulls out there.

 

[WalnutCrest]

Muddy, Backbone posted photos of Black Angus x MG crosses a while back. There is not a lot of wiggle room to experiment this year. So it boils down to cattlemen in our area figuring out which Black Angus bull to use on white faced cattle. Crazy looking calves may go down to $1/lb by late summer.

CB you know as well as I do what we have to do for the next two years to make money. We have to deliver a 50% Angus calf with no more than 1/4 ear that is in Lin with industry demand. The price at the barn will be weak so the money will be made on inputs. If your herd numbers are lower AI makes a lot of financial sense.

...as does finding marketing opportunities for any part (even if it's a small part) of your product away from the commodity market. Make margin (higher revenue or lower costs) wherever you can.

 

[Workinonit Farm]

Maybe crossing Murray greys with black Angus works better?

Where I used to work, the few (20 or 30) black Angus they crossed with Murray Grey, the majority of the calves were a silver/chocolate color. Docile as heck, and grew like weeds. Nice calves.

They were sold directly to the feedlot, so they didn't go through a conventional sale barn.

In my area the sale (Radiant Va. Madison Va) there have been time when my one or two chocolate with white faced sold just as high, if not higher than my blacks and BWF.

But, other parts of the country are different from here.

 

[Muddy]

Wow I absolutely have no idea that black Murray greys existed. They looks like they can work on your cows, CB.

 

[JWBrahman]

Preaching to the choir Walnut. This is one of those years when we have the forage to make a lot of things work. If you culled hard when prices were good that helped, too.

But from what I read CB likes the barn, spends time there, and works his program around selling there. The options are limited. At least with the barn you do have a clear goal and that can help keep it simple.

 

[Caustic Burno]

Preaching to the choir Walnut. This is one of those years when we have the forage to make a lot of things work. If you culled hard when prices were good that helped, too.

But from what I read CB likes the barn, spends time there, and works his program around selling there. The options are limited. At least with the barn you do have a clear goal and that can help keep it simple.

Yep I like the barn you got that right on that is why there is an Angus with the girls.
He is going to need replacing in the next year or two been thinking out of the box a little.
The brafords are not getting replaced as they are all in the four to seven year old range but two that are seventeen.

 

[Caustic Burno]

To be honest, I have no idea what a Murray Grey would do over a Braford. However, there are many black Murray Grey bulls that have good growth that have semen available. A few in particular have the ability to consistently produce dark chocolate or black calves. A few that come to mind include Gentle Acres Trojan, Lindale Hobo, and Eagles Run Tor.
Eagles Run Tor and Lindale Hobo can be found on this site. If you click on the name of the bull, a photo and information on the bull pops up.
http://www.eaglesrun.com/sale/salesemen.html

Gentle Acres Trojan is shown below.

Information can be found on Trojan at the following link.
http://murraygreycows.com/reference-sires/#Trojan

These are just the few bulls that I have seen progeny from. I am sure that there are plenty of other good, dark Murray Grey bulls out there.

That is a heck of a bull if the color came out right you could only get a couple calves on the trailer
out of some brafords girls. Those calves should bottom out the scales.
That bull has what you look for nuts,guts and butts.

 

[JWBrahman]

The cattle analysts on US Farm Report have been bullseye accurate about cattle prices this year. They predicted a March rally with feeders dropping $0.25 by late summer. USDA numbers would appear to back that up.

We got word that it will be bad if you are bringing loads of atypical calves to Dominique's this fall. Slaughter cows are bringing $0.55 now. It could get real ugly, real fast. Seen it happen too many times.

Order buyers will tell you which AI bull to use so your calves go straight to the feedlot and will get you the best price next year. Calves load up on my street and arrive in Kansas less than 24 hours later.

 

[wacocowboy]

CB if you are going to switch out that Angus bull why not go for Char. Will add more pounds and you will get the same price or better. Last time I went to sale Charbray types were out selling some blacks and running neck and neck with bald face Brangus types. I know several people using Char on Braford or Beefmaster and doing really good.

 

[Caustic Burno]

I know that science is there and what the cattle do through the barn.
I just can't burnt child is scared of fire and this child got third degree burns all over.
I just replace Obama with another one most likely.

 

[wacocowboy]

I know that science is there and what the cattle do through the barn.
I just can't burnt child is scared of fire and this child got third degree burns all over.
I just replace Obama with another one most likely.

You could always go with Black Hereford lol.

 

[moses388]

I really like the looks of a Murray Grey bull.
Has anyone used one on commercial girls and what color pattern do you get off red baldie cows
Cream wouldn't hurt at the barn other than that it better be black red baldie or yellow baldie.
That box of crayons on the trailer would hurt you here.

Here is an image of a cross-bred heifer that calved on Friday, February 24, 2017. She had a Murray Grey bull calf; I inseminated her using Olympia Pelion #25004. I will post a pic of the calf when I get a good picture. The calf has the white face of his mother and the rest of his body is the silver Murray Grey color. The calf has a cute pink nose and pink ears. These must be from his mother as well, because I thought Murray Grey have a dark colored nose.





Mother's dam is a cross breed with a white face and mother's sire is a pure bred black angus. Maybe her bull calf is something to try on white face Braford cattle?? Otherwise the calf will be sold as a feeder steer.

 

[Backbone Ranch]

I really like the looks of a Murray Grey bull.
Has anyone used one on commercial girls and what color pattern do you get off red baldie cows
Cream wouldn't hurt at the barn other than that it better be black red baldie or yellow baldie.
That box of crayons on the trailer would hurt you here.

Here is an image of a cross-bred heifer that calved on Friday, February 24, 2017. She had a Murray Grey bull calf; I inseminated her using Olympia Pelion #25004. I will post a pic of the calf when I get a good picture. The calf has the white face of his mother and the rest of his body is the silver Murray Grey color. The calf has a cute pink nose and pink ears. These must be from his mother as well, because I thought Murray Grey have a dark colored nose.



Mother's dam is a cross breed with a white face and mother's sire is a pure bred black angus. Maybe her bull calf is something to try on white face Braford cattle?? Otherwise the calf will be sold as a feeder steer.

:welcome: to the boards moses388
Let me know how that Olympia's Pelion bull calf turns out. We have straws from Olympia's Pelion, but have yet to use him over our cows. He was the Grand Champion Bull at the 1978 Denver National Show. At the time, he was two years old and weighed 1,400 lbs. By the time he was three, he weighed 1,800 lbs. Unfortunately, he was stolen in June of 1979. Olympia's Pelion scored a perfect 10 out of 10 on the Igenity tenderness test and a 7 for marbling; that combination of tenderness and marbling is one of the best that I have seen. Below is a photo of Olympia's Pelion as a 2 year old at the Denver National Show.

And this a photo of a weanling daughter of Olympia's Pelion that I was sent from a breeder up in Indiana.

The sire of Olympia's Pelion, Parknook Pelion, is one of the great bulls of the Murray Grey breed. He is pictured here at 3 years and 8 months of age, weighing in at 2,173 lbs.