Dumb question New to cattle!

[BryanM]

I was wondering what the differance is between Beef feeder and dairy beef? I know its breeds but what are the benifits from havinf a dairy beef feeder(dual purpose) vs. a beef feeder a more select breed solely for the beef industry? The only defense I have for this question is, Isimple dont know because i was never taught thanks!

 

[Sir Loin]

BryanM,

I see from your title you are “New to cattle”, so permit me to help you out a little here, and I’m not being critical or sarcastic.

But there is a difference between “Beef feeder and dairy beef”.
It’s that old apples and oranges thing.
“Feeders” are on the hoof and “beef” (as in dairy beef) is hanging in a freezer.

Re:

I know its breeds but what are the benifits from havinf a dairy beef feeder(dual purpose) vs. a beef feeder a more select breed solely for the beef industry?

I think I know what you are asking.
The short answer is the quality and quantity of the meat.

Dairy cattle are breed and raised for the quality and quantity of their milk, whereas beef cattle are breed and raised for the quality and quantity of their meat.

As a rule almost all dairy cattle that enter the meat market are entirely processed into ground meat with some fat from beef cattle added to give it flavor.
Whereas beef cattle are processed into many different cuts of meat, such as rib-eye, prime rib, sirloin and roasts etc. in addition to some ground meat.

As for the “benefits” of dairy over beef, they are cheap to purchase and there will always be a market for cheap ground beef.

SL

 

[Frankie]

I was wondering what the differance is between Beef feeder and dairy beef? I know its breeds but what are the benifits from havinf a dairy beef feeder(dual purpose) vs. a beef feeder a more select breed solely for the beef industry? The only defense I have for this question is, Isimple dont know because i was never taught thanks!

Don't worry about the question; none of us are born knowing this stuff. The difference in the value of dairy calves and beef calves is the cost to get them fed. Dairy cattle are bred to produce milk, not meat. It will generally cost more to finish a pen full of dairy steers than a pen of beef steers. That difference will usually show up in the price feedlots are willing to pay for dairy versus beef calves. I don't think there's any difference in the meat dairy cattle produce. In fact, I've heard that Jersey beef is some of the best, marbled and tender. But they just don't produce the pounds at the same cost we'd expect a beef animal to produce.

 

[vs_cattle]

Also beef feeders should make you more money in the auction yard as well

 

[hillsdown]

As a rule almost all dairy cattle that enter the meat market are entirely processed into ground meat with some fat from beef cattle added to give it flavor.

SL[/quote]

Sometimes you say the :roll: things.I don't care if you like to make crap up but don't spew it to newbies or they might actually take you seriously.

 

[Sir Loin]

Tweetie,
Re:

Sometimes you say the things.

Where do you think most dairy cattle end up?
Where do dairy cattle that are old, infirm or culled for poor milk production end up?
Where do dairy bulls and steers end up?
Besides in dog food.

There is a packinghouse in Savanna GA, which only processes for ground beef, where we take our old and infirm beef cattle culls and we get top dollar over all the Holsteins coming in there because of their fat content.

Please don’t tell me you are trying to say that dairy cattle compatible to
beef cattle.
SL

 

[Frankie]

Tweetie,
Re:

Sometimes you say the things.

Where do you think most dairy cattle end up?
Where do dairy cattle that are old, infirm or culled for poor milk production end up?
Where do dairy bulls and steers end up?
Besides in dog food.

There is a packinghouse in Savanna GA, which only processes for ground beef, where we take our old and infirm beef cattle culls and we get top dollar over all the Holsteins coming in there because of their fat content.

Please don’t tell me you are trying to say that dairy cattle compatible to
beef cattle.
SL

In meat quality, I'd say dairy cattle are comparable to beef cattle.

I wouldn't argue that old dairy cows probably go to hamburger, but that's mostly because of their age (maturity). There are thousands of dairy steers and heifers fed out and go into the meat counter alongside meat from beef breeds. One supermarket chain in California uses Holstein steers for their branded beef program. They buy them cheap, know almost exactly how long they'll have to feed them, and the meat is good enough quality that they put their store name on the package.

Link added:

http://ag.arizona.edu/arec/wemc/cattlem ... &issue.pdf

 

[Sir Loin]

Re:

In meat quality, I'd say dairy cattle are comparable to beef cattle.

I don’t think so!
SL
FYI:

Holstein beef is leaner than most beef,
snip
Holsteins tend to be discounted in comparison to traditional beef breeds.
(Snip)
Dairy steers have a rate of gain similar to that of traditional beef breeds, but are 10–15 percent less feed-efficient than beef breeds due to higher maintenance requirements. (5) Holsteins do not yield as well as traditional beef. (9) The dressing percentage of finished Holsteins is less than beef steers since Holsteins have higher ratios of offal and bone, and the carcass itself is worth less since it has more bone than beef breeds.

 

[Frankie]

Re:

In meat quality, I'd say dairy cattle are comparable to beef cattle.

I don’t think so!
SL
FYI:

Holstein beef is leaner than most beef,
snip
Holsteins tend to be discounted in comparison to traditional beef breeds.
(Snip)
Dairy steers have a rate of gain similar to that of traditional beef breeds, but are 10–15 percent less feed-efficient than beef breeds due to higher maintenance requirements. (5) Holsteins do not yield as well as traditional beef. (9) The dressing percentage of finished Holsteins is less than beef steers since Holsteins have higher ratios of offal and bone, and the carcass itself is worth less since it has more bone than beef breeds.

Holsteins are "leaner"? So? There are a variety of breeds that are "leaner" than others. Select beef is leaner than Choice. Choice is leaner than Prime. Most breeds are leaner than Wagu. That doesn't make Holstein meat any worse than lean beef from another breed. Select beef is Select and priced as Select, no matter the breed.

No one is arguing that LIVE Holsteins are discounted against beef breeds or their yield is less, etc. That has nothing to do with their meat quality.

Holstein meat on the supermarket shelves sells for the same price as any other package of beef.

Here's the link AGAIN to Ralphs going to Holstein for their branded beef. They did their research.

http://ag.arizona.edu/arec/wemc/cattlem ... &issue.pdf

 

[hillsdown]

SL do you think before you type? 99% of what you have said about Holsteins is wrong.Next time don't respond to a question if you have absolutely no clue about it.Some people don't appreciate it when you make things up.

Frankie don't even bother trying to educate SL on dairy beef.Obviously he wants to live in a delusional world.

 

[VanC]

2006 US beef production was 24.79 billion pounds. Five percent of that was Holstein beef. That's a lot of beef and it ain't ALL going to hamburger.

http://www.geskefarms.com/diagram.html

On a personal note, I ate a lot of Holstein beef when I was younger. It was just as good as any select beef from the grocery store. As has already been said, the main difference is the cost of finishing a Holstein steer vs. the average beef steer.

 

[Sir Loin]

Ms. Hillsdown,

I don’t think you have a full grasp of the concept here’ so I will explain it to you.
Now please correct me if I am wrong, but it is my understanding that this board is for all to post their views and opinions on, without the fear of coming under personal attack.
You can disagree with other’s views and opinions and post your own, but to make it personal and engage in a personal attack is a no no.

So knock off the BS or what goes around will come around.
This is your last warning.

Now do you have any evidence to support your position.
URL please.
SL

PS: Sorry I forgot to post the link to my last quote for you and so you would know they were not my words but that of the ATTRA.

Holstein beef is leaner than most beef,
snip
Holsteins tend to be discounted in comparison to traditional beef breeds.
(Snip)
Dairy steers have a rate of gain similar to that of traditional beef breeds, but are 10–15 percent less feed-efficient than beef breeds due to higher maintenance requirements. (5) Holsteins do not yield as well as traditional beef. (9) The dressing percentage of finished Holsteins is less than beef steers since Holsteins have higher ratios of offal and bone, and the carcass itself is worth less since it has more bone than beef breeds.

Source: http://attra.ncat.org/attra-pub/dairybeef.html

 

[somn]

Sir Loin
I will on any day put a gate cut potload of my feedlot holstien steers against any gate cut of the best steers you own. Lets sell them to IBP Dakota City. After both of us get our kill sheets lets say you and I compare kill sheets. It is obvious you have never fed or killed a holstien being paid on grade and yield. Then lets compare boxed beef weights using identical cuts. You won't be talking so smart. The only thing I've seen you post correctly about holstiens is the feed conversion not being as good.
That really doesn't matter when holstien feed is cheaper. I'm starting to wonder if you even own cattle or if you are one of those guys from the extension office who has read one to many books about cattle that had been written by a guy that had read to many books about cattle written by a guy who wrote books for a living and knew nothing about cattle.

 

[hillsdown]

As a rule almost all dairy cattle that enter the meat market are entirely processed into ground meat with some fat from beef cattle added to give it flavor.

Did you not type this?
Keep up the threats and you will not be posting to anyone ever.You will go down the wayside like so many others :wave: .

Reread your link it actually says dairy beef marbles better than traditional beef which we all knew anyways.

I have all the evidence in the world as I have actual experience with Holsteins I don't need to cut and paste I can just go to my freezer or go out to the barn where I am finishing another couple of big guys.By the way the last Holstein steer I finished weighed 2000lbs and dressed out at 1345lbs.Maybe you have chosen to ignore Somn'n, Vans and Frankies post as they disagree with you also. BTW We are talking about beef not old dairy culls as was the origional posters question.

My how tough we are when we are behind a computer, all I have to say to that is Bite Me.Or should I say, kiss mine tweety ;-)

 

[mnmtranching]

MAN :shock: Sir Loin :lol: Don't confuse cull dairy cows with hard fed 18 month old Holstein Steers.

 

[rockridgecattle]

Sir Loin,
I'm kinda hoping your user name has been hijacked, so as to not really be you but a nutty pretending to be you.
Because what you have said is un called for.
Play nice or don't play at all

RR

 

[bigbull338]

i wasnt gonna put my dog in this fight but oh well.there are a few differance tween dairy an beef feeders.the beef steers an be finished out alot quicker.because of their smaller frame.the dairy feeders take longer because it takes more feed to reach their finiish weight.but being a dairy breed steer doesnt affect how it grades out on the rail.yes dairy breeds are leaner.but thats because they arnt breed to put on fat.their meat tastes just as good as beef steers does.

 

[Sir Loin]

Rockridgecattle,
Re:

I'm kinda hoping your user name has been hijacked, so as to not really be you but a nutty pretending to be you.
Because what you have said is un called for.

No, sorry to say it was not. That was me.
You are probably right as I have been on many political boards and I can take a whole lot more then what is dished out on here.
I just thought, for the good of the board, it was time to let some people know they were getting way out of line with the personal attacks.

I’m just a strong believer in “

”

Please accept my apology if I caused you any discomfort and disrupting the thread.
Sincerely
SL

 

[rockridgecattle]

Thank you, but it's not me that needs the apolgy,

Thanks,
RR

 

[hillsdown]

You are probably right as I have been on many political boards and I can take a whole lot more then what is dished out on here.

Really at what time did I ever name call ?Seems to me you can't respond without getting personal.

I’m just a strong believer in “

”

There is no issue to debate what you said about dairy meat going almost completely for ground beef is false.That has been proven by Frankie,Van C and Somn as well as many others as this has been discussed endlessly. And we are still waiting for your "URL" to dispute it.
The fact that you threaten Macons board is just pathetic ;just because your posts are disputed .And FYI I would never cry to a mod or name call.So don't try to bully me, won't work.