Disposition

[Bright Raven]

Thanks. Look good. I like the Grand Master's hip structure in this pic. One of the shortest, but looks good what I can see. I do like GM cattle. Have a few really good cows.

BTW: Cowgirl Princess is also very nice. She is the one that is sideways in the pictures. She is a Cowboy Cut. Here is the face on those two:
Cowgirl Princess -

Grand Prix-

You gave me confidence!! I told Fire Sweep that Grand Prix is my favorite heifer. I absolutely adore her. She has just a touch of attitude. But not bad.

But the one that is like a puppy dog is Cowgirl Anne. She is unbelievably docile. Cute as a button maybe because she is so small compared to the rest.

 

[NonTypicalCPA]

Once you catch them in the sweep, how do you put the halter on them? Just grab them and hold tight?

 

[Bright Raven]

Once you catch them in the sweep, how do you put the halter on them? Just grab them and hold tight?

I close off the alley way. I crowd them with the sweep door. I don't crowd them so tight that they cannot move and I cannot move through them. My sweep can handle at least 20 calves. I walk amongst them and it is really very easy to just slip the halter on. I then, tie them to the outside rail.

Some get wise and develop the habit of keeping their heads down. That can be difficult. You don't want to be bending over in a bunch of calves unless you want to eat your front teeth for lunch.

I have learned - YOU DON'T BULLDOG CALVES. You just move at a slow pace. Let them relax. Rub their bellies and everyone has a good time.

 

[True Grit Farms]

How many steers are you halter breaking?

 

[Bright Raven]

How many steers are you halter breaking?

I do not sell steers. If a bull don't make it, he goes out of here to the sale barn as a bull. I am guessing a few of my bulls are out there breeding cows at slaughter prices.

 

[sim.-ang.king]

Scours are easy to treat. 10cc of Baytril and it’s byebye scours. And yeah, I know that’s off label use.......but it’s better than letting one die. Thankfully I haven’t had any problems in about 5 years so it’s a non issue for the most part.

It's off label use of high value drugs like baytril that's going to ruin it for the rest of us.

 

[Bright Raven]

Same age as mine 9-1 to 10-31. Do you halter the steers?
Put a sire on the calves in order, so we can tell who's who. How much do they weigh? Oh yeah, you don't know! LOL
I don't know the weight of mine either, because they have not needed to be put thru the chute.

I halter everything.   It is easier to run the entire group in the sweep than it is to separate.  Top picture - left to right , I will list the Name they are registered under and the Sire:

Just her head, Cowgirl Princess, heifer, Cowboy Cut
Leukorhinus, bull, Upgrade
Price's Big Bertha, Heifer, Broadway
King of the Night, Bull, Cowboy Cut
Grand Prix, Heifer,  Grandmaster
Summer Night, Bull, HPF Optimizer

Correction.
Just her head, Cowgirl Princess, heifer, Cowboy Cut
Leukorhinus, bull, Upgrade
King of the Night, Bull, Cowboy Cut
Price's Big Bertha, Heifer, Broadway
Grand Prix, Heifer,  Grandmaster
Summer Night, Bull, HPF Optimizer

 

[ez14.]

Same age as mine 9-1 to 10-31. Do you halter the steers?
Put a sire on the calves in order, so we can tell who's who. How much do they weigh? Oh yeah, you don't know! LOL
I don't know the weight of mine either, because they have not needed to be put thru the chute.

I halter everything.   It is easier to run the entire group in the sweep than it is to separate.  Top picture - left to right , I will list the Name they are registered under and the Sire:

Just her head, Cowgirl Princess, heifer, Cowboy Cut
Leukorhinus, bull, Upgrade
Price's Big Bertha, Heifer, Broadway
King of the Night, Bull, Cowboy Cut
Grand Prix, Heifer,  Grandmaster
Summer Night, Bull, HPF Optimizer

Correction.
Just her head, Cowgirl Princess, heifer, Cowboy Cut
Leukorhinus, bull, Upgrade
King of the Night, Bull, Cowboy Cut
Price's Big Bertha, Heifer, Broadway
Grand Prix, Heifer,  Grandmaster
Summer Night, Bull, HPF Optimizer

Oh I thought you had some transgenders or something :lol:

 

[Bright Raven]

I halter everything.   It is easier to run the entire group in the sweep than it is to separate.  Top picture - left to right , I will list the Name they are registered under and the Sire:

Just her head, Cowgirl Princess, heifer, Cowboy Cut
Leukorhinus, bull, Upgrade
Price's Big Bertha, Heifer, Broadway
King of the Night, Bull, Cowboy Cut
Grand Prix, Heifer,  Grandmaster
Summer Night, Bull, HPF Optimizer

Correction.
Just her head, Cowgirl Princess, heifer, Cowboy Cut
Leukorhinus, bull, Upgrade
King of the Night, Bull, Cowboy Cut
Price's Big Bertha, Heifer, Broadway
Grand Prix, Heifer,  Grandmaster
Summer Night, Bull, HPF Optimizer

Oh I thought you had some transgenders or something :lol:

I wondered if anyone caught that.

:lol:

 

[Jeanne - Simme Valley]

Ron - you really need to be selective on what you keep a bull and CASTRATE the rest. You are only hurting the breed & breeders by letting culls in tact go to the market. I had over 20 bull calves last year and only kept 4 in tact. And actually ended up castrating 2 because someone wanted them for show steers.

 

[Bright Raven]

Ron - you really need to be selective on what you keep a bull and CASTRATE the rest. You are only hurting the breed & breeders by letting culls in tact go to the market. I had over 20 bull calves last year and only kept 4 in tact. And actually ended up castrating 2 because someone wanted them for show steers.

I disagree on a broad basis. Lots of bulls used by producers in Kentucky are picked up at a sale barn or purchased under an arrangement like Kenny Thomas described in a recent thread, i.e., he buys sale barn bulls and then flips them as breeding bulls. These bulls are used on many different breeds/mixes of cattle but 99.9 % are going to be terminal.

The culled intact bulls like mine that go to a sale barn are better bulls in comparison to most bulls producers are acquiring through sale barn purchases. That is a positive IMO.

Lastly, the Simmental/SimAngus Breeders that are affecting the long term genetic pool of the breed are NOT the buyers of these bulls. The buyers of these bulls are producers who just want their cows to calve and ship to the sale barn.

 

[Supa Dexta]

Culling decisions start with the purebred breeders. You're arrogant in your approach thinking you always know better than those that have been at it their entire lives and possibly generations before that.

If you're relying solely on the fact that they won't know its a sim bull if its just passed around at sale barns, then you're no better a breeder than those who are crooked right from the start.

As with any product if you strive to make the best and then have an offshoot to get rid of the 2nds, your brand will soon enough be known for selling junk.

For the record I also don't consider you a purebred breeder - you're just a guy using PB genetics.

 

[Bright Raven]

Culling decisions start with the purebred breeders. You're arrogant in your approach thinking you always know better than those that have been at it their entire lives and possibly generations before that.

If you're relying solely on the fact that they won't know its a sim bull if its just passed around at sale barns, then you're no better a breeder than those who are crooked right from the start.

As with any product if you strive to make the best and then have an offshoot to get rid of the 2nds, your brand will soon enough be known for selling junk.

For the record I also don't consider you a purebred breeder - you're just a guy using PB genetics.

I read that. Nothing in that addresses my comments.

A forum is a place to exchange information and post whatever suits your fancy. Your "for the record" assessment don't mean doodly squat.

 

[BFE]

Ron - you really need to be selective on what you keep a bull and CASTRATE the rest. You are only hurting the breed & breeders by letting culls in tact go to the market. I had over 20 bull calves last year and only kept 4 in tact. And actually ended up castrating 2 because someone wanted them for show steers.

I disagree on a broad basis. Lots of bulls used by producers in Kentucky are picked up at a sale barn or purchased under an arrangement like Kenny Thomas described in a recent thread, i.e., he buys sale barn bulls and then flips them as breeding bulls. These bulls are used on many different breeds/mixes of cattle but 99.9 % are going to be terminal.

The culled intact bulls like mine that go to a sale barn are better bulls in comparison to most bulls producers are acquiring through sale barn purchases. That is a positive IMO.

Lastly, the Simmental/SimAngus Breeders that are affecting the long term genetic pool of the breed are NOT the buyers of these bulls. The buyers of these bulls are producers who just want their cows to calve and ship to the sale barn.

I agree, based on the quality of cattle I have seen you post on here. Your culls are likely the best genetics many of these sale barn bull buyers have ever seen. You are improving someone's herd, and they are getting a bargain.

 

[Bright Raven]

Ron - you really need to be selective on what you keep a bull and CASTRATE the rest. You are only hurting the breed & breeders by letting culls in tact go to the market. I had over 20 bull calves last year and only kept 4 in tact. And actually ended up castrating 2 because someone wanted them for show steers.

I disagree on a broad basis. Lots of bulls used by producers in Kentucky are picked up at a sale barn or purchased under an arrangement like Kenny Thomas described in a recent thread, i.e., he buys sale barn bulls and then flips them as breeding bulls. These bulls are used on many different breeds/mixes of cattle but 99.9 % are going to be terminal.

The culled intact bulls like mine that go to a sale barn are better bulls in comparison to most bulls producers are acquiring through sale barn purchases. That is a positive IMO.

Lastly, the Simmental/SimAngus Breeders that are affecting the long term genetic pool of the breed are NOT the buyers of these bulls. The buyers of these bulls are producers who just want their cows to calve and ship to the sale barn.

I agree, based on the quality of cattle I have seen you post on here. Your culls are likely the best genetics many of these sale barn bull buyers have ever seen. You are improving someone's herd, and they are getting a bargain.

I am just an "old country" breeder. I just hope I am helping some poor old farmer.

:banana:

 

[True Grit Farms]

It's a shame you can't find a few buyers that want excellent beef raised properly off the farm and are willing to pay for it. No matter how good your stock or breeding practices are, some animals are not going to represent the breed like they should. Culling is a mandatory evil in the registered business.

 

[Bright Raven]

It's a shame you can't find a few buyers that want excellent beef raised properly off the farm and are willing to pay for it. No matter how good your stock or breeding practices are, some animals are not going to represent the breed like they should. Culling is a mandatory evil in the registered business.

I agree with that word for word.

My point is a fine one that Supa Dexta cannot grasp.

There is no statute or sacred ritual associated with how culling occurs. He does not grasp that!

 

[Bright Raven]

You're an egotistical assh0le. That much is for certain.

And I understand full well the point you are trying to make - I'm just saying you're wrong. "But they're just going to junk herds"

The whole reason there are junk herds is because people let it continue and add to it.

Sir, I clearly frustrated your message. You always know when someone resorts to name calling, they have been bested.

 

[Supa Dexta]

Accurate descriptions are far from name calling.

You act like you're doing a huge favour to the poor dumb country farmers, because you're able to take semen from someone elses breeding program and put it in cows from anothers breeding program and whatever comes out - they could only be so lucky to happen upon.

 

[Supa Dexta]

Husbandry practices that brought you your genetics, and will continue long after you're gone without making a mark in the industry.

I know a shyster when I see one.