JHH
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Thinking about registering this cow. She can be registered. I bought some cows and they all can be . But some are just going to be commercial for me not good enough to sell bulls out of I dont think.
JHH":2pamba21 said:Thinking about registering this cow. She can be registered. I bought some cows and they all can be . But some are just going to be commercial for me not good enough to sell bulls out of I dont think.
I would think if all calves were registered it would make the dam's and sire's epd more realistic and accurate. Some breeders may only register the best but that skews the results. We have sent many registered calves to the salebarn in the feeder pen. We feel me make our registered cow's epds more accurate by reporting every calf. Yes it costs a few bucks a calf but that is the way we want to do it.DOC HARRIS":2rl9n3yu said:Just because she ". . .can be registered" is not a verifiable reason to do so. There are many factors which should be considered in registering an animal other than the fact that she is already a "pedigreed" candidate! Phenotype, Genetic EPD's, Functional traits, DNA markers, - her own personal characteristics - ALL should be considered prior to going to the expense and effort of registering any animal. Registering poor quality individuals of any breed is one thing that has contributed to the depletion of desirable characteristics and traits in all of the cattle breeds. The primary goal(s) of any conscientous producer is to focus on the improvement of the progeny over the parents for future Profits! In my opinion, if this cow is of adequate beef quality to be able to be bred to a bull of more desirable qualities, and the resulting progeny should be an improvement over the parents, THEN give serious thought and consideration to registering the cow.
Profit and Improvement (not necessarily in that order) should be the goal of registering seedstock - breed Improvement and your own Profit!
DOC HARRIS
tom4018":2urlmicq said:I would think if all calves were registered it would make the dam's and sire's epd more realistic and accurate. Some breeders may only register the best but that skews the results. We have sent many registered calves to the salebarn in the feeder pen. We feel me make our registered cow's epds more accurate by reporting every calf. Yes it costs a few bucks a calf but that is the way we want to do it.DOC HARRIS":2urlmicq said:Just because she ". . .can be registered" is not a verifiable reason to do so. There are many factors which should be considered in registering an animal other than the fact that she is already a "pedigreed" candidate! Phenotype, Genetic EPD's, Functional traits, DNA markers, - her own personal characteristics - ALL should be considered prior to going to the expense and effort of registering any animal. Registering poor quality individuals of any breed is one thing that has contributed to the depletion of desirable characteristics and traits in all of the cattle breeds. The primary goal(s) of any conscientous producer is to focus on the improvement of the progeny over the parents for future Profits! In my opinion, if this cow is of adequate beef quality to be able to be bred to a bull of more desirable qualities, and the resulting progeny should be an improvement over the parents, THEN give serious thought and consideration to registering the cow.
Profit and Improvement (not necessarily in that order) should be the goal of registering seedstock - breed Improvement and your own Profit!
DOC HARRIS
DOC HARRIS":47zvvfgg said:Just because she ". . .can be registered" is not a verifiable reason to do so. There are many factors which should be considered in registering an animal other than the fact that she is already a "pedigreed" candidate! Phenotype, Genetic EPD's, Functional traits, DNA markers, - her own personal characteristics - ALL should be considered prior to going to the expense and effort of registering any animal. Registering poor quality individuals of any breed is one thing that has contributed to the depletion of desirable characteristics and traits in all of the cattle breeds. The primary goal(s) of any conscientous producer is to focus on the improvement of the progeny over the parents for future Profits! In my opinion, if this cow is of adequate beef quality to be able to be bred to a bull of more desirable qualities, and the resulting progeny should be an improvement over the parents, THEN give serious thought and consideration to registering the cow.
Profit and Improvement (not necessarily in that order) should be the goal of registering seedstock - breed Improvement and your own Profit!
DOC HARRIS
hillsdown":2o8duoc7 said:Don't all/most breed associations allow you to compute animals ? That way each calf born and their performance, is taken into account and goes on the EPD's of the registered sires and dams regardless of whether you register an animal or not.
I am too cheap to spend 50 bucks a pop to register a calf that is going to the feeders . 50 calves being sold as feeders in the fall is $2500 ,that can almost pay my fuel bill for the year .
Nice cow JHH .
smnherf":240ws3v9 said:She certainly looks good enough to produce registered stock, but at this point in her life for me the deciding factor would be what has she produced? How much do you know about the history of these cattle? Is there a reason why she wasn't registered as a calf or young heifer. Is she super high on bw or low milk or some other reason she wasnt registered as most registered herds tend to register most of the calves at a younger age as it is more economical to do it then. You can register 5 calves before they are 4 months old for the same price you can 1 at a year of age.
tom4018":3gzlxfi4 said:I would think if all calves were registered it would make the dam's and sire's epd more realistic and accurate. Some breeders may only register the best but that skews the results. We have sent many registered calves to the salebarn in the feeder pen. We feel me make our registered cow's epds more accurate by reporting every calf. Yes it costs a few bucks a calf but that is the way we want to do it.DOC HARRIS":3gzlxfi4 said:Just because she ". . .can be registered" is not a verifiable reason to do so. There are many factors which should be considered in registering an animal other than the fact that she is already a "pedigreed" candidate! Phenotype, Genetic EPD's, Functional traits, DNA markers, - her own personal characteristics - ALL should be considered prior to going to the expense and effort of registering any animal. Registering poor quality individuals of any breed is one thing that has contributed to the depletion of desirable characteristics and traits in all of the cattle breeds. The primary goal(s) of any conscientous producer is to focus on the improvement of the progeny over the parents for future Profits! In my opinion, if this cow is of adequate beef quality to be able to be bred to a bull of more desirable qualities, and the resulting progeny should be an improvement over the parents, THEN give serious thought and consideration to registering the cow.
Profit and Improvement (not necessarily in that order) should be the goal of registering seedstock - breed Improvement and your own Profit!
DOC HARRIS
MO_cows":8h4sv7l5 said:tom4018":8h4sv7l5 said:I would think if all calves were registered it would make the dam's and sire's epd more realistic and accurate. Some breeders may only register the best but that skews the results. We have sent many registered calves to the salebarn in the feeder pen. We feel me make our registered cow's epds more accurate by reporting every calf. Yes it costs a few bucks a calf but that is the way we want to do it.DOC HARRIS":8h4sv7l5 said:Just because she ". . .can be registered" is not a verifiable reason to do so. There are many factors which should be considered in registering an animal other than the fact that she is already a "pedigreed" candidate! Phenotype, Genetic EPD's, Functional traits, DNA markers, - her own personal characteristics - ALL should be considered prior to going to the expense and effort of registering any animal. Registering poor quality individuals of any breed is one thing that has contributed to the depletion of desirable characteristics and traits in all of the cattle breeds. The primary goal(s) of any conscientous producer is to focus on the improvement of the progeny over the parents for future Profits! In my opinion, if this cow is of adequate beef quality to be able to be bred to a bull of more desirable qualities, and the resulting progeny should be an improvement over the parents, THEN give serious thought and consideration to registering the cow.
Profit and Improvement (not necessarily in that order) should be the goal of registering seedstock - breed Improvement and your own Profit!
DOC HARRIS
That is it right there. This skew in the numbers when the breeders cherry pick who they will spend the money to register - only the top animals - and the middle end and the low end goes totally unrecorded, well that isn't doing their breed's database any favors. If you don't have a complete contemporary group to evaluate, you don't have the best data. The breeds that stuck their neck out and did Whole Herd, Complete Herd, Total Herd fee structures where you pay a fee for every registered cow and are expected to report every calf have brought those breeds light years ahead on their data collection and the strength of their EPD. Even though about every breed has a "compute" or "record" option, most breeders just won't spend that extra money and do the extra work to report their whole calf crop. The "whole herd" concept was recommended in the 1990's by BIF but not every breed association had the guts to adopt it.
MO_cows":3h0jmfge said:That is it right there. This skew in the numbers when the breeders cherry pick who they will spend the money to register - only the top animals - and the middle end and the low end goes totally unrecorded, well that isn't doing their breed's database any favors. If you don't have a complete contemporary group to evaluate, you don't have the best data. The breeds that stuck their neck out and did Whole Herd, Complete Herd, Total Herd fee structures where you pay a fee for every registered cow and are expected to report every calf have brought those breeds light years ahead on their data collection and the strength of their EPD. Even though about every breed has a "compute" or "record" option, most breeders just won't spend that extra money and do the extra work to report their whole calf crop. The "whole herd" concept was recommended in the 1990's by BIF but not every breed association had the guts to adopt it.