Convulsions and 96 degree temp.

FarmGirl10

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What would cause a about three month old calf have that low of a temperature? He also started having convulsions, that went on for atleast a half hour. The calf was really weak before the convulsions started and it got even worse after (which makes sence). About 20 minutes before it died the whites of its eyes turned red.

Sorry if this doesn't make sence, but i'm confused and cant think after staring at a dying calf for atleast four hours. Does anyone have any idea what it could be. The calf was my brothers not mine, but if he doesn't get an autopsy done, I think i will. I'd love to know what would do that. A couple neighbors came out to try see figure it out, but we were all clueless and the vet couldn't get out tonight.
 
The 2 things that comes readily to mind is poison or something very toxic or that the calf was in the process of dying and the body had started to shut down by the time you took it's temp.
 
Any other symptoms before he started having convulsions?

Could be anything from eating something poisonous to meningitis or an electrolyte/mineral imbalance or something totally different. 96 degree temp sounds like he was in shock and on his way out, but the cause... your guess is as good as mine. Autopsy would be a good idea.
 
Milkmaid - I had just gotten home from class today when my brother called and said that he had a down calf. Since i've been shadowing a vet for a good while now, he thought that I'd have a better idea, but I couldn't think of anything. I cant think of any other symptoms though, last night his temperature started dropping but it was kind of ignored because he had just drank from an automatic waterer (the water coming out of this one is at about 54 degrees). The calf quit being able to stand at about 3:20 and went into convulsion shortly after i got there. We couldn't get the calf to drink anything so we tubed it with electrolytes and he also got a shot of Banimine (sp?). The calf didn't appear dehydrated and also didn't have scours. After the convulsions stopped, the calfs eyes and mouth would start twitching every once in a while.

How long can the body wait for an autopsy. I know dumb question.
 
Couple days at least. Don't freeze it. Fridge or other cool area is okay.

From the necropsies I've watched... you could probably just cut the calf open, use sterile scissors and put pieces of the heart, lungs, liver, kidney(s), intestines, spleen, pancreas, and anything else that appears abnormal, into a ziplock bag in your fridge and take it to the vet clinic to go in formaldehyde later. Most times when vets do necropsies they send the tissues out to a lab anyhow because the samples are tested -- necropsies generally aren't visual unless there's something extremely obvious. Could also take a separate sample of whatever is in his rumen or intestines. Just my thoughts which may or may not be correct. :P
 
About a month ago I had a bottle baby doe kid die on me at two weeks old. Perfectly healthy kid.

I went into the house to get the afternoon bottle, I was coming out the back door and I saw her walking along in the backyard, she just sort of pitched forward onto her face and fell over. I thought she tripped or something, anyway she didnt really try to get up. I picked her up, she was disorientated, and didnt appear to be able to control her front legs. She kept falling over, so I picked her up, she was convulsing (just sort of jerks in the limbs and head, not paddling or anything) and didnt settle down.

I raced her into the vet, she convulsed all the way in (45 min) and her temperature was below normal and her heart had slowed right down. My vet put her on a drip and heat pad, the convulsions stopped and heart rate and temp came back up to normal. A couple hours later she started convulsing again, her temp crashed and though they gave her valium to calm her she died.

My vet hadnt seen anything like it, his theory was perhaps an infection which had got to the brain, possibly through the navel - but she hadnt had navel ill or been sick at all. As far as the autopsy goes - we considered it but my vet said a visual autopsy on a case like this probably wouldnt yield much info, we would need to do lots of tests and it would push us up around $500 at least. But we did make the decision that if another one came down with it we would do the tests.

Just the other day I was talking to an old friend who said she had a lamb that did exactly the same thing. She took it to the vet, long story short they saved the lamb. Her vet said it was an accumulation of toxins in the brain from something in the feed/pasture. My friend couldnt remember what it was exactly and we are trying to find out. Also trying to find what the vet gave the lamb. Apparently 90% of cases are fatal.

It does sound similar to what you experienced with your calf. Here's hoping you can save the next one.

I know the awful, sinking feeling of watching an animal die while you have no idea what is wrong with it or how to help it. That kid I lost was the first time I didnt know what to do. I have been around plenty of sick and dying animals, and always had an inkling of what was wrong and how to try to help. This kid ... I had nothing. Couldnt do a thing. Thats why I rushed her into the vet. I couldnt just stand there and watch her die without doing something. Its an awful awful feeling, being inadequate. I feel for you having to go through that, I really do. I know how confusing and painful it can be.

God bless, take care.

Sorry for the novel lol
 
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MM - we must have posted at the same time. I would be suspicious that whatever the problem is lies in the brain - and that is awfully hard to extract for someone who has never done it before. It might be best to take the calf into the vet to have a professional do it. In most other cases, I'd say do as MM suggested.
 
Thanks, and I think your right about the meningitis. It kept pressing its head up against anything it could. The vets going to come out in the morning still and my brothers going to pay for it, so I'm off the hook there.
 
OK. Well, keep us posted on the autopsy results, and if possible... take your camera when the autopsy is done and take pics of anything unusual or interesting. :P
 
Lol, okay, but I don't know about the pictures, he might try to make me learn by doing it myself.
 
:lol2: The times I did necropsies myself I usually recruited someone else to hold the camera and maybe a leg or two.

You said you're shadowing a vet... are you planning to be a vet?
 
Yeah, and i finally got my mom to go along with it. I'm thinking about finishing up my pre-vet requirements at University of Wyoming, thats where you go isn't it? Would you suggest going there?
 
I'd recommend it. I like it here.

The only thing you might want to keep in mind is finding the best school to go to for undergrad to give you the best chance of getting into vet school. The schools that are part of a WICHE program or have agreements with neighboring states to take X number of students from that state are ideal if you fit into that catagory. Trying to randomly get into a vet school as an "out-of-state" student not part of a WICHE program or a neighboring state is almost impossible. With my Idaho residency I have about a 25% chance of getting into Washington's school, which is better than the ~0.005% chance a out of state student has if they don't fit into those contract catagories. If that makes sense.

There's the list of schools with the info on what states they have contracts with... http://www.aavmc.org/vmcas/documents/AA ... 08_003.pdf :cboy:
 
Yeah, i got a vet school in my state, but the problem is that they lean towards research and small animals. Which isn't what I want. I sat down and talked to the head of admissions at Oklahoma State's vet school and out of the 80 students they take normally only 24 out of state students, so i know its tough. But she did tell me that the school would give me a full time job for a year to fill my needs to become a Oklahoma resident, which would help my chances and really lower my tuition. Also, I'm currently in the PTK honor society (I'm a PSEOP student so I can't get as many scholarships) which should help with out scholarships. Currently I have a 3.7 GPA and a 4.0 Science GPA, so as long as I keep this up and hopefully raise what I can, I should be able to have a fighting chance. Currently, i'm one class short of only having to take one year of pre-vet classes out of high school, so I can justify paying out of state tuition. My plan is to either go Oklahoma State/Oklahoma State or U of Wyoming/Oklahoma state.
 
Because of the shortage of large animal vets, some states have money available to help you out. Keep looking and good luck.
 
I would get a PM done on the whole calf and not just tissue samples sent to a lab.It could be anything from toxins, to meningitis ,to a birth defect in the development of the calf like the main artery not connected to the liver...

I have had them die on me as well while on my lap and rushing them to a vet,,,. It is such a helpless feeling.

Let us know what you find out.
 
Okay...got the results on the calf. He had pneumonia, a ball of twine in his stomache (still can't figure out how he got that, there shouldn't have been any near him), and underdeveloped kidneys. Sorry MilkMaid, couldn't find my camera this morning so there are no pictures. The lungs were sent into a lab to test for the cause, so the rest of the cattle can be vaccinated for whatever type it is. One of his kindeys was completely useless and the other one only less than a 1/4th of it was functioning. I wish I had pictures of the kidneys, they were pretty screwed up.

Before the convulsions started, I gave a shot of Banamine to help with the pain he was in. Then after the first set of convulsions was done, I had given him a shot of Nuflor because before the convulsions I thought he had a type of pheumonia. So it turned out I was origanally right on 2 of the 3 things he had. Didn't know what was going on in his stomach, but I knew something wasn't working right since I could smell rumen fluid (wasn't to pleased with that smell, lol). So right now I'm pretty happy with the results of the autopsy, even though I'm obviously not happy about my brothers loss.
 
CKC1586":fcq8mfvk said:
Michigan State University has a pretty good large animal program. You may want to check it out....
I'm planning on heading up there pretty soon to check them out.
 
dyates":1eky3tm1 said:
Because of the shortage of large animal vets, some states have money available to help you out. Keep looking and good luck.
Thanks, and lately I've been hearing that the state of Ohio will help out if your going to be large animal vet. If this is true, i'm afraid I might have to stay. :( But I guess being stuck here for a couple more years and having about a third of the debt might be better. I read the other day that in state pre-vet is about $6,500 a year at Ohio State, but I can't remember if that included room and board or not.
 

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