Common core?

[kucala5]

Not sure. Thoughts?

 

[Commercialfarmer]

Seriously, you haven't read enough about it then. Not good. Very much not good. Pretty much bad. Actually, really, really bad.


Talk to a retired teacher from the 70's, 80's that taught through the 2000's. The purposeful watering down of school work is appalling. Kids have no basis for learning these days. Common core is about reducing the individual thought and making everything about community. It is socialism indoctrination with really fuzzy math.

 

[torogmc81]

Well put, cf.

A good buddy of mine is trying to move to a different school district so his kids don't have to taught in common core system.

It truly is sad hearing those who support common core speak about why and how. Makes me sick

 

[cow pollinater]

The only person involved with it first hand that I've met that thought it was a great thing was a public school teacher whose kids are enrolled in a private school that does not follow it.
My kids are home-schooled because I believe this is just one more step...
I worry about my kids futures. This world is headed in a direction where people that think for themselves suffer instead of prosper. All I can do is hope that I'm teaching them right because it would kill me if they figured out how to follow the flock.

 

[presmudjo]

Kindergarten math is convoluted. Kids will have no chance. my child can't add, they have confused her that much. She was better at the beginning of the year rhen she is now. I will have the summer to get her understanding when tje school day won't interfer.

 

[HDRider]

The only person involved with it first hand that I've met that thought it was a great thing was a public school teacher whose kids are enrolled in a private school that does not follow it.
My kids are home-schooled because I believe this is just one more step...
I worry about my kids futures. This world is headed in a direction where people that think for themselves suffer instead of prosper. All I can do is hope that I'm teaching them right because it would kill me if they figured out how to follow the flock.

You would be amazed at how many countries outlaw home school. There may come a time when the US follows Germany and others outlawing home school....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeschool ... statistics

 

[Brute 23]

The way they teach math right now is totally screwed up. Our teachers even admit its screwed up.

 

[pdfangus]

yall must understand that an unenlightened population is easier to influence and control....
then those in power retain and reinforce their power...

 

[crossbredcalves]

As a teacher, I see the reasoning behind it. The idea was to combine standards into more rigorous expectations. The problem is that the name Common Core is getting attached to too many things. Common Core itself is a set of standards, not a method of teaching those standards. I teach Common Core standards in a way similar to the way I taught Arkansas state standards. I just go into more depth. Too many groups are out there putting the Common Core name on things that have nothing to do with Common Core.

 

[TexasBred]

Not sure. Thoughts?

Every teacher I have asked about it hates it although we don't use it here in Texas (yet).

 

[hurleyjd]

I searched the net and looked at some common core math questions. It is a way to learn differently than the way I learned 60 years. I understand what and where they are trying to go with this. It it teaching in a way that when it comes to algebra and higher mathematics the kids will under stand and keep going.

 

[Commercialfarmer]

As a teacher, I see the reasoning behind it. The idea was to combine standards into more rigorous expectations. The problem is that the name Common Core is getting attached to too many things. Common Core itself is a set of standards, not a method of teaching those standards. I teach Common Core standards in a way similar to the way I taught Arkansas state standards. I just go into more depth. Too many groups are out there putting the Common Core name on things that have nothing to do with Common Core.

Not really.

Any change that is made to alter a system needs a reason, right? So just like the government uses safety to regulate anything from asprin to zoo animals, it is using "standards" and "rigorous expectations". That is the commercial in a nut shell.

There needs to be a reason to get the school system out of local control and the reason is that "we" need kids to be able to transfer to any school in the nation and continue and we need all kids at the same level for colleges, or to go to college even in other parts of the world. It is a united nations piece. Look that up.

Common Core is attached to many things, because it is attempting to regulate many parts of teaching- including some methods by way of what it tests the kids on. Is your school district so poorly functioning without input from Germany, France, China and Iran that you can't get them ready for college? I seriously doubt it.

If you want kids to be rigorously expected from, they don't need to start school at 3 years old. They need to be expected to be in class during class time, not in 6 pep assemblies a day, gone for football, track, FHA, FFA, basketball, basket weaving, selling yearbooks, special this, special that; not watching the latest and greatest cartoon movie the week it makes it to DVD; they don't need weekly bully awareness seminars, and then a seminar on how to not piss off a bully by turning him in seminars; or to learn 36 techniques of having sex before they are out of the 8th grade.

Once they are in class, they need to be expected to shut up, sit down and do the work. I'm telling you that if you take a look at a lesson planning book from 1980 algebra 1 class, and compare this to an algebra 1 class this year, or the past 10 years. The kids 34 years ago, were pushed harder and quicker. They learned more in a year by proven methods than kids today. They were taught basics. Why is okay for a basketball coach to preach fundamentals, and all else will come; but a school wants 3rd graders to learn "mathematical reasoning" so they are so screwed up that trigonometry is going to be a pipe dream when they get there.

Common core enables many fuzzy math techniques to be taught because they are under the guise of enlightenment, and there are some very poor standards that common core tests over. Once it becomes settled, common core will be able to mandate how you teach and what you teach. Your extra effort will no longer be necessary OR acceptable.

As far as home schooling, ha! that is an easy fix as well. You might be able to understand string theory, write a perfect paper, and recite the top 500 literary novels by heart, but if you don't have the stamp of approval but uncle sam's minions, it won't matter. Many (I understand not all) will need to be accepted in college or trade school to pursue the career of their choosing. But, if they can't pass the entrance exam because they haven't learned that Obama stopped the sea level from rising, fertilized corn causes poliomalacia, and that girls can abstain from heterosexual encounters until their civil union and still be a virgin. (Remember, you no longer get a local say in what they are taught).

Give up your local school control, see how that goes for you. I know it has never happened before and probably never will, but just think if a federal agency in full control of the nations youths education became a little rouge (I hear that the news regarding the EPA could be interesting tomorrow- nah, likely just lies). I guess your faith in the hand cuffs of Uncle Sam's is more than mine.

 

[Commercialfarmer]

Not sure. Thoughts?

Every teacher I have asked about it hates it although we don't use it here in Texas (yet).

I'm thinking there were some TB. If not mistaken, I think it was a few school districts in the north that had/have it implemented. If I remember, there was a push back against it and they may have discontinued it's use.

 

[Nesikep]

CF, I agree with you on all the points you've made... I have one thing to add... There are bright kids who do poorly, and part of the reason for that is they're BORED TO TEARS. English class was like that for me... for the first 3 grades you learn how to make letter, cursive writing, and a whole lot of spelling... That is sufficient material for 3 years.. but after that, you have a year of learning what a noun, pronoun, adjective, verb, and adverb all are, the next year you learn conjugation... and that just bored me to DEATH... From grade 4 to 10 combined I learned NOTHING that couldn't have been taught in about a year. I ended up hating english for the rest of my life, though I do have decent spelling, and lazy spellers irk me to no end.

I think forcing kids to stay in school is bad for everyone... The kids who want out get bad attitudes, are bullies and ruin the experience for the ones that do want to be there. At my high school there were a couple kids with Downs syndrome, and MANY with serious Fetal Alcohol Syndrome as well.. the IMMENSE resources poured into these kids was staggering, each one pretty much had a full time nanny, and they were forced to learn all this stuff that I really don't think they'd ever need in their lives... That being said, these kids NEED the social interaction, and to develop some basic skills... These are the kids that just need to be AT school, not IN it to learn algebra for sure. I know it would be an administrative and public relations nightmare, but for that a two tier educational system would help.. one for the kids who WANT to learn, and one for the ones that don't... I know in practice kids would be sent to one or the other based on political and economic factors, wouldn't do anyone any good anymore. What I find stunning is all the great mathematicians in particular, but other scientists as well, some were 'picked out' as being exceptional at an early age, and went into much more specific fields of study at a much earlier age... Gauss was one of these minds... I'm sure he didn't spend 6 years going over nouns and pronouns!

I don't know much about "common core" as it applies to you, but from what I gather, it's the typical scenario... Make something look necessary and appealing, once it gets approval, modify it to suit your own agenda... it happens with EVERYTHING.

 

[Bigfoot]

Check this article out. A man was alotted 2 minutes at a school board to voice his concern. When he went over, he was arrested. I understand many communities use this tactic to decrease parent involvement.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014/05/ ... latestnews

 

[pdfangus]

Check this article out. A man was alotted 2 minutes at a school board to voice his concern. When he went over, he was arrested. I understand many communities use this tactic to decrease parent involvement.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014/05/ ... latestnews

I learned this morning that this fellow was concerned that his 14 year old daughter had been assigned to read what was basically pornography which bordered on being a description of a rape.

 

[hurleyjd]

I have read a lot about education common core and such. Came to the conclusion that some kids cannot not be taught they just do not have the smarts upstairs to learn.

 

[pdfangus]

I have read a lot about education common core and such. Came to the conclusion that some kids cannot not be taught they just do not have the smarts upstairs to learn.

and the correct answer is not then to teach to the lowest common denominator.....

common core is less about teaching than it is about federal control of the schools.....

 

[Caustic Burno]

I have read a lot about education common core and such. Came to the conclusion that some kids cannot not be taught they just do not have the smarts upstairs to learn.

and the correct answer is not then to teach to the lowest common denominator.....

common core is less about teaching than it is about federal control of the schools.....

Federal intervention and involvement in public schools is one of the biggest enemies of our country.
Modern day Hitler youth indoctrination at its best.

 

[Brute 23]

Supposedly Texas had the Common Core curriculum for a brief period but they did away with it... quickly. Its not suppose to be even talked about it the Texas school system.

Texas allows schools to write there own curriculums. Our local school is in the process of writing their own for next year. The people telling me this say there is a pretty good network of other schools who write there own that share the info.

This was just told to me in conversation with some people at our local school. Not sure what is true or not so take it for what its worth. Just thought it was interesting and might be an option for other people.