CL 1 Domino 9126J - deceased?

[Kent]

Was looking through the Hereford AI catalog last night and saw that 9126J semen is "limited". Is he dead? The AHA website still lists him as "active", but they also list Online as active, so that doesn't confirm anything. Does anyone here know?

You might know he would up and die right before I was going to breed every Hereford cow on the place to him. :lol: Now the semen will be sky high next year. If dead, he was only seven years old and a trait leader in ELEVEN epd categories with high accuracies. As upset as I will be, I guess Mark Cooper is more upset than I. :roll:

On a brighter note, I found it encouraging that the AHA is going to launch the "open" AI policy to make it more affordable. The policy would make it possible for AI sire owners to offer semen for sale without charging for certificates if they choose to do so. For years, too many sire owners have been charging $50 per straw or more for semen and $100 or more for certificates on popular bulls. This is a big reason why only 15-20% of Hereford calves are AI sired, compared to 50% or so of Angus calves. If sire owners will do it, AI use will go up, and the breed could see even more great improvement over the next decade as it did in the last.

 

[Frankie]

What does the AHA charge a breeder for an AI certificate?

 

[Kent]

What does the AHA charge a breeder for an AI certificate?

Not quite sure what you mean, and maybe it's different than the AAA, but do you mean how much does the AHA charge the sire owner? The person using the semen pays the sire owner for his certificate, and the sire owner can charge whatever he wants. The AHA may have a charge to the sire owner per certificate, but I don't know. :?:

 

[Hill Creek Farm]

Yes, 9126J is deceased and semen per unit cost right now $100.00. 9126J was the best horned bull that will probably ever come out of the Cooper Herd. :cboy:

 

[Kent]

Thanks, Hill Creek. That's what I was afraid of. Hope he has a son just as good, but it's not likely.

 

[Brandonm2]

Yes, I saw that too. 9126J would be 7 years of age, so they should have had time to stockpile plenty of semen. I wonder why we keep running out of semen on current top name sires. Vindicator and WSF PRL Justa Banner were born back in 1973 have ~2000 daughters in the data base and Reed is still selling the semen at 15-25 a straw apparently with no shortage in sight. Either some of these bull owners are being negligent about collecting or people are sitting on stockpiles and collecting ridiculous fees of $200 and $300 a straw by claiming a shortage where none exists. Either way, the breed (as a whole) is not well served by shortages of desirable genetics whether real or artificial.

 

[KMacGinley]

You can still get Justa Banner and Vindicator semen? Who is this Reed?

 

[Brandonm2]

What does the AHA charge a breeder for an AI certificate?

$15 though the breeders resell them to their customers for anywhere between $30 and $100

 

[Frankie]

What does the AHA charge a breeder for an AI certificate?

Not quite sure what you mean, and maybe it's different than the AAA, but do you mean how much does the AHA charge the sire owner? The person using the semen pays the sire owner for his certificate, and the sire owner can charge whatever he wants. The AHA may have a charge to the sire owner per certificate, but I don't know. :?:

Since they have to manage and process them, the Angus Assn charges the owner of an AI bull $10 per certificate. He can then sell it to someone wanting to register a calf for whatever he wants. I was curious if the higher prices for Hereford AI certificates reflected the higher charges of the Hereford Assn.

I hope the change will encourage more Hereford breeders to use AI. There's no doubt in my mind that has been one of the driving forces behind the growth of the Angus breed. At $10 a certificate, it's been a good source of revenue for the Assn, too. ;-)

 

[Frankie]

What does the AHA charge a breeder for an AI certificate?

$15 though the breeders resell them to their customers for anywhere between $30 and $100

Thanks, Brandon. At those prices, I wouldn't blame the AHA for high certificate prices.

 

[Brandonm2]

You can still get Justa Banner and Vindicator semen? Who is this Reed?

Jim Reed has been brokering Hereford semen and certificates for longer than I can remember. Here is a link to the current price list....
http://www.reedent.com/reedent/cattle/b ... prices.pdf
and to his homepage
http://www.reedent.com/reedent/reedindex.htm

His ad in the 2006 Hereford AI book is on page 24 and 25.

 

[Hill Creek Farm]

You can still get Justa Banner and Vindicator semen? Who is this Reed?

Hey, stay far awya from Vindicator. The prolapsing King of the world! Vindicator sired beauitful uddered daughters, but 90 to 95% of them all prolapsed. Justa Banner, he was a big time bull and sired Enforcer 107H, which we used 107H on every cow one year with excellent results, turned around and used 107H on everything again, with great results. Truly, I am telling you to stay clear of Vindicator. :cboy:

 

[Hill Creek Farm]

You can still get Justa Banner and Vindicator semen? Who is this Reed?

Jim Reed has been brokering Hereford semen and certificates for longer than I can remember. Here is a link to the current price list....
http://www.reedent.com/reedent/cattle/b ... prices.pdf
and to his homepage
http://www.reedent.com/reedent/reedindex.htm

His ad in the 2006 Hereford AI book is on page 24 and 25.

Hey Brandon, I have an ad in the March 2006 Hereford World catalog. A picture of my cow SSF Keysha 956 and my new bull SHF Red Oak M326 R96. If you have the Hereford World, take a look under the Buckeye Sale page. It is a purple page. :cboy:

 

[KMacGinley]

I am an old Hereford guy and we loved our Vindicators, no prolapsing at our place. Enforcer was great!

 

[txag]

On a brighter note, I found it encouraging that the AHA is going to launch the "open" AI policy to make it more affordable. The policy would make it possible for AI sire owners to offer semen for sale without charging for certificates if they choose to do so. For years, too many sire owners have been charging $50 per straw or more for semen and $100 or more for certificates on popular bulls. This is a big reason why only 15-20% of Hereford calves are AI sired, compared to 50% or so of Angus calves. If sire owners will do it, AI use will go up, and the breed could see even more great improvement over the next decade as it did in the last.

i wonder if that will help? the bull owners already have the option to sell the certificates at reasonable prices but few choose to do so. could the low a.i. rates be due to too many folks a.i.'ing to top show bulls & not being happy with the results?

HC, 90-95% huh? is that like 106% weaning weight percentage?

 

[Brandonm2]

Good ad, I don't know why I missed it the first time. I did not even remember any purple pages being in the magazine. My reading comprehension skills are beginning to get lax as I age. A bigger bolder "Hill Creek Farm" sign or someone like Randa Owen setting up the cattle might make the ad more eye catching. Good looking high volume, good uddered cow and I like the young bull too. His EPDs are excellent.

I have heard talk about Vindicator and prolapses, though there is a poster on here regularly a few months back from Texas who claims to STILL be linebreeding Vindicator and the Braxton Giant cattle. Apparently he is not having any problems (or I don't see how he could continue down that path).

 

[Hill Creek Farm]

On a brighter note, I found it encouraging that the AHA is going to launch the "open" AI policy to make it more affordable. The policy would make it possible for AI sire owners to offer semen for sale without charging for certificates if they choose to do so. For years, too many sire owners have been charging $50 per straw or more for semen and $100 or more for certificates on popular bulls. This is a big reason why only 15-20% of Hereford calves are AI sired, compared to 50% or so of Angus calves. If sire owners will do it, AI use will go up, and the breed could see even more great improvement over the next decade as it did in the last.

i wonder if that will help? the bull owners already have the option to sell the certificates at reasonable prices but few choose to do so. could the low a.i. rates be due to too many folks a.i.'ing to top show bulls & not being happy with the results?

HC, 90-95% huh? is that like 106% weaning weight percentage?

No, that is what I was told by many Hereford Breeders. That pertcentage came from an older Hereford breeder here in Virginia that has been in it for a long time. Also, I have talked with others that have used him and there pertcentage were about the same. :cboy:

 

[greenwillowherefords]

For what it's worth, Jim Reed told me that Vindicator was one of the best quality bulls for the money in his catalog, especially for raising replacement heifers. I can't feature him endorsing a bull with a bad track record.

 

[greenwillowherefords]

Thanks, Hill Creek. That's what I was afraid of. Hope he has a son just as good, but it's not likely.

Especially in a line-breeding program, with proper breeding selection,(and I think Cooper has some experience in this area) each generation should get better and more prepotent, so take heart!

 

[Campground Cattle]

For what it's worth, Jim Reed told me that Vindicator was one of the best quality bulls for the money in his catalog, especially for raising replacement heifers. I can't feature him endorsing a bull with a bad track record.

Willow what happened to BG1 :lol: :lol: