Chicken Litter Question

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I am about to apply 2 tons/acre of litter....Should I move the cows off for a few days?

First time to use this stuff....it makes cow litter smell sweet.

Thanking you in advance.

Bob Graves
Winona, Ms
 
There is no need to move the cows, unless the people spreading wont close the gates. They may eat a little, but most likely want if it is the first time to be exposed to it. We leave it stacked in the pastures until we get it spread they eat very little or none. They will sleep on it if the weather is cold.
 
I'd move them.
I'd use chicken litter, if available; however, I'd be concerned about the likelihood of chicken feed mixed in the litter. I've seen chickens eat, they will drop some as they are eating. Chicken feed can have meat byproducts in it which are not legal to feed cattle.

Spread it, let the grass grow, preferably have rain on it, then graze it but don't graze to the dirt.
 
no you can leave the cows on the pasture while they spread the litter.it wont hurt the cows at all.my friends cows follow the litter speader in the pasture.
 
Animal protein of just about any kind is too expensive for poultry feed or any other animal feeds right now. A few companies may be using a little feather meal but even that is very expensive. Tyson and others make much more money selling it than feeding it.
 
TexasBred":2z1sxqhc said:
Animal protein of just about any kind is too expensive for poultry feed or any other animal feeds right now. A few companies may be using a little feather meal but even that is very expensive. Tyson and others make much more money selling it than feeding it.

You want to guarantee that?

As long as animal protein is an accepted ingredient for chicken feed, and there is no reason why it should not be accepted for chickens, then it will be a possibility that it could be in there.

As two other posters naively stated, the cattle will follow the spreader and some do eat the litter. The possibility of the cattle eating prohibited feed ingredients is more than I would risk.
 
Chris...can you guarantee what most ingredients are in feed?? Plant protein, grain by-products, roughage products....animal protein products...they all cover hundreds of ingredients. Do you know what d-activated animal sterol is?? 99% of feeds have it but it may not be disclosed.

But...knowing that all the huge poultry producers furnish both chicks and the feed for them to chicken farms who contract with them I know they will feed them as cheaply as possible to get them to slaughter weight and will make as much from chicken by-products as they will the processed chicken.

Ever butchered a $10,000 heifer? I doubt it...too expensive for home consumption so you sell her. Same with most animal protein products. Pilgrims Pride just announced a huge loss this past quarter...Tyson a loss but not as much.....Gotta hold feed cost down...Animal protein won't do that. The feed will be little more than corn, soybean meal, vitamins, and minerals and periodically a wormer.

I'd be more afraid of what I would get from simply eating chicken than of feeding liter to the cattle. Sometimes you have to take a little risk in live....remember..the turtle couldn't cross the road til he stuck his neck out. ;-)
 
bob g":1x7jfcju said:
I am about to apply 2 tons/acre of litter....Should I move the cows off for a few days?

First time to use this stuff....it makes cow litter smell sweet.

Thanking you in advance.

Bob Graves
Winona, Ms
yeap you might want to pull them out a few days. and get plenty of magnesium in them before your turn em out
 
TexasBred, are you telling me that feed mills will put stuff, illegal stuff, in my cattle feed?
Can you legally feed chicken feed to cattle? I doubt it.
Do you want to eat cattle that have eaten chicken feces, feathers, maybe a partially decomposed chicken carcass? I don't, and my customers don't.



Bob G, I'd move those cows for a few weeks.

edited to add: Alacowman has a good point about getting magnesium in the cows before you put them back. That grass will be growing good and you don't want to take a chance on grass tetany.
 
If you have the means to move them off for a few days do so. No need to let one cow get stupid and end up with a bellyache.
 
Chris H":26o7bnbl said:
TexasBred, are you telling me that feed mills will put stuff, illegal stuff, in my cattle feed?
Can you legally feed chicken feed to cattle? I doubt it.
Do you want to eat cattle that have eaten chicken feces, feathers, maybe a partially decomposed chicken carcass? I don't, and my customers don't.



Bob G, I'd move those cows for a few weeks.

edited to add: Alacowman has a good point about getting magnesium in the cows before you put them back. That grass will be growing good and you don't want to take a chance on grass tetany.

Chris at one time there was a company in NE Texas that specialized in mixing and processing chicken, litter, corn and dried bakery products at 16% crude protein to be fed to cattle. And no I did not say your feed mill was putting "illegal stuff" in your feed....I simply asked you if YOU knew what all was in it.

As for what you can or can't do...you can feed dog food to a cow if she'll eat it and you're ignorant enough to do it. The feed store don't ask you what you're gonna feed when you buy dog food...the same for chicken feed. It will be labeled for the proper use but the purchaser can do whatever he wants with it.

As for the poultry feeds that the majors are feeding I only said it would not be economically feasible to use animal protein products in their rations due to the high cost so the chance of your chicken litter containing any contaminants in that category would be almost nill. But yeah you might find a few dead chickens in the stuff....not suppose to be there but you just never know what will come slinging out of one of those manure slingers.
 
Is it even still legal in the USA to feed chicken litter to cattle? It's banned in Australia, Canada, and Europe due to the possiblity of BSE.

Anyone feeding dog food to their cattle in the USA is breaking the law, didn't you know that Texasbred?
 
Chris H":12yp6nhh said:
Is it even still legal in the USA to feed chicken litter to cattle? It's banned in Australia, Canada, and Europe due to the possiblity of BSE.

Anyone feeding dog food to their cattle in the USA is breaking the law, didn't you know that Texasbred?

Chris I don't know of anyone feeding the chicken litter mixture to cattle at this time. A lot of folks use to and some probably still do. Had a client that insisted on trying it once. i told him I wanted to see it when it came in. Well I got there late and it had been dumped outside in a barn. He had a note on the bulletin board to "call my feed company to get me some feed....chicken $h1t is still $h1t no matter what else they put in it and refused to allow them to unload it into the bulk tank :lol2: :lol2:

As for the dog food issue, I've never read the "law" on feeding dog food nor the warnings on any of the bags. I feed it only to my one dog and that's where it stops...well no the dog probably poops in the pasture so I guess i could be contaminating the cattle. ;-) Hopefully noone is stupid enought to feed dog foot to cattle.
 
ive got a friend that feeds his cows the litter in the winter.an his cows love it.as a matter of fact when he speads it on his pastures.they follow the speader eating the big chunks of litter.an it hasnt hurt his cows or calves 1 bit.
 
bigbull338":3vf6adtk said:
ive got a friend that feeds his cows the litter in the winter.an his cows love it.as a matter of fact when he speads it on his pastures.they follow the speader eating the big chunks of litter.an it hasnt hurt his cows or calves 1 bit.
yet. i had rather fertilize the pasture with it. let the cows eat the forage. and leave the sht eating to my mutts.
 
TexasBred":erxnfxiz said:
As for the dog food issue, I've never read the "law" on feeding dog food nor the warnings on any of the bags. I feed it only to my one dog and that's where it stops...well no the dog probably poops in the pasture so I guess i could be contaminating the cattle. ;-) Hopefully noone is stupid enought to feed dog foot to cattle.

Haven't you presented yourself as a nutritionist/feed salesman? Just what is your experience with feeding/raising cattle? Federal law prohibits feeding ruminant byproducts to ruminants, dog food contains ruminant byproducts.

As for the chicken litter, unless you know what feed the chicken grower has fed, and know it does not contain any ruminant byproduct then you better be safe and not let the cows eat it. Put it on the ground and let it decompose. And bigbull, do you have any idea of the incubation time for BSE? Anecdotal incidents from your friends brothers uncle on what he feeds his pet cow in his backyard is worthless.
 
From TAMU, Feb 23, 2004: http://agnewsarchive.tamu.edu/dailynews/stories/ANSC/Feb2304a.htm texasbred, you do know what TAMU is, don't you???

Feb. 23, 2004
BSE SPURS BAN ON FEEDING BROILER LITTER TO CATTLE
Writer: Robert Burns (903) 834-6191,[email protected]
Sources: Dr. Jason Cleere (903) 834-6191,[email protected]
Dr. Gerald Evers (903) 834-6191,[email protected]
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OVERTON – Recent expanded safeguards against "mad cow disease" announced Jan. 26 by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration may require some East Texas beef producers to rethink their winter feeding budgets, says a beef cattle specialist with Texas Cooperative Extension.

One of the safeguards – the ban on feeding broiler litter to cattle – will also raise winter production costs for many East Texas cattle producers, said Dr. Jason Cleere.

Broiler litter is typically 20 percent protein, and cattle, once they become used to it, relish it. Cattle have been known to break down fences to get to a source of chicken litter.

It's also cheap, from $15 to $25 per ton, compared to an alternative protein source such as range cubes that costs $225 per ton or more.

"For beef producers, this equates to a change from about 5 cents to about 50 or 60 cents a day per head as protein supplement during the three- to four-month winter feeding period," Cleere said.

The exact cause of bovine spongiform encephalopathy – now commonly known as mad cow disease – is not known. However, many in the scientific community generally accept a type of protein called prions causes BSE in mammals.

The concern is that poultry feed often contains meat and bone meal, the same byproducts banned from cattle feed for fear they may transmit prions. Meat and bone meal are used in poultry feed as a cheap phosphorus supplement.

"Although the prions would not be harmful to poultry, the worry is the prions might pass through the chicken and contaminate the litter. Also, there's quite a bit of spilled poultry feed that winds up mixed with the litter, too," said Dr. Gerald Evers, a forage management researcher with the Texas Agricultural Experiment Station. Evers has worked with broiler litter as a fertilizer source for bermudagrass pastures for years, and along the way has become familiar with the broiler litter industry.

"We really don't know how much is fed, but we suspect that wherever there are poultry producers, there is quite a bit being used as a winter protein and mineral supplement," Evers said.

Technically, the announced ban is only proposed until it is published in the Federal Register, the legal medium for communicating the regulations by the executive branch of the federal government. When it is published – typically anywhere from two weeks to a couple of months following the announcement, – it will become an "interim final rule."

"Interim final rule" means the ban will be in effect as soon as it's published in the Register. There will be a public comment period, whose time and duration will be included in the publication. During this comment period, comments will be accepted and changes can be suggested. For example, there may be or may not be a grace period for producers currently feeding broiler litter to make the changeover.

From all estimates, the ban, with a few minor edits, will survive the comment period.

"The odds are the ban will be permanent," Evers said.

"The feeling is that the ban won't be published in time to have an effect on this winter's supplemental feeding costs, but will most certainly be in effect by next winter," Cleere said.

The message for the beef producer is to think twice about making capital investments in equipment to handle or store poultry litter, Cleere said.

"At least put it on hold for now," Cleere said.

Producers who are currently feeding broiler litter are advised to start thinking about some other winter protein supplement.

Winter pasture is a good alternative. Though not as cheap as broiler litter, it is a very cost-effective alternative. Also, there are other products available for use as supplemental feeds, such as corn gluten or wheat mids, Cleere said.

The FDA also proposed a ban on using "plate waste," uneaten meat and other meat scraps collected from restaurant operations and rendered into meat and bone meal for animal feed.

Another safeguard proposed by the FDA is requiring equipment, facilities and production lines to be dedicated to non-ruminant animal feeds if they use ruminant byproducts banned for use in ruminant feed.

The FDA's ban on feeding most mammalian proteins to ruminant animals, including cattle, has been in effect in the United States since 1997.


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Every few months someone asks this question.

And the same people all come up with the same replies.

In the end no one can or will stop you. Yet.

Eating even one bite of chicken schitzen in many countries immediately takes that cow and makes it unsuitable for human consumption.

Being caught allowing a cow even one bite of chicken schitzen - accidental or not - in many countries - will cause you a great deal of legal grief.

Ever wonder why? Perhaps you did not know. But you do now.

Be that as it may, allowing a cow to do this - is quite legal in the U.S. of A. - for the moment. Cattle in the U.S. of A. are routinely fed chicken and turkey schitzen - with all of the by-products included. Composting chicken schiten does not kill the bad stuff that causes certain diseases. Those diseases can often take several years to become noticeable. Hence the "it has never hurt us" talk.

I can assure you that no one will import this beef if it is discovered. In fact I cannot think of even one country that will accept cattle or beef if schitzen has been a feed product. However, there are many people in the U.S. of A. that eat this beef. Usually unknowingly.

Tell them about this and watch their faces. It might actually drive them away from the product.

Just because it has been done in the past does not mean the old hands or Gramps are right in their advice.

It is a fine fertilizer when placed on fields that will be worked and planted to crop. I am no longer a user so I cannot speak to the follow on risks - if any.......

Cattle will ingest this if spread in pastures.

But certainly I would not use it for cattle or pastures.

Just my opinion of course.

After all, we went through several years of He!! attempting to survive due to BSE and international bad press - I pray you never have to experience this - so take the chance if you want - after all it is still legal to use and is still a common feed and a common fertilizer.

As for me I run from the stuff - just not worth it. Chicken schitzen can be had all over my part of the world for the price of hauling it. No one with cattle will go any where near it.

And I can assure you that any folks who buy our beef would not want to eat it if they knew the cattle had been fed schitzen.

Life in Tyre is "warm" right now - Beruit is even warmer - so I am "staying in the shade" at present. :D

Take care all.

Bez+
 
Bez+":26bsp6io said:
Life in Tyre is "warm" right now - Beruit is even warmer - so I am "staying in the shade" at present. :D

Take care all.

Bez+

Stay safe.
 

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