rk
Well-known member
Liquid feed????Howdyjabo":1os8vxyn said:
Cheap Feed
- Thread starter aplusmnt
- Start date
here is a good publication put out by Kstate on Corn Gluten Feed Composition and Feeding Value for Beef and Dairy Cattle
http://www.oznet.ksu.edu/library/lvstk2/mf2488.pdf
http://www.oznet.ksu.edu/library/lvstk2/mf2488.pdf
Sure--- lots of liquid feed out there.
Theres whey and potatoe slurry that come to mind real fast
And there was a byproduct that I had for awhile that was only 25% DM-- but what was there was really Loaded
High Bypass- High quality protien, high quality fat and some energy.
used it as 50% of my TMR- made it the consistancy of silage.
Some people use whey as the cattles main water source . Only giving them access to plain water once or twice a day.
Doesn't have to be much nutrition /lb when they are consuming 20-30lbs(or more) a day- to make a BIG impact.
Theres whey and potatoe slurry that come to mind real fast
And there was a byproduct that I had for awhile that was only 25% DM-- but what was there was really Loaded
High Bypass- High quality protien, high quality fat and some energy.
used it as 50% of my TMR- made it the consistancy of silage.
Some people use whey as the cattles main water source . Only giving them access to plain water once or twice a day.
Doesn't have to be much nutrition /lb when they are consuming 20-30lbs(or more) a day- to make a BIG impact.
rk
Well-known member
I was assuming (shame on me) balanced "conventional" liquid supplements.....usually 60% plus DM and 32% CP.
J+ Cattle
Well-known member
Where can I get some of that 90% protein shelled corn? For a cow to get 1.8# of protein per day from corn you would have to feed 20 pounds per day not 2 pounds per day. The cheapest source of protein is usually a product that is produced locally. If you live in an area with cotton production then whole cottonseed or cottonseed meal is a very high protein supplement and it has the oil in it that is an energy source. You don't have to feed very much of it each day.
J+
J+
rk
Well-known member
Familiar with Westway.....never heard of one that's 80% though.Scotty":q29hsbyn said:
As you can see, my husband is the nutritionist not me. Knew corn was 9% protein - so I thought 1# = .9 instead of .09 - sorry about that. Thought that seemed awful low #.J+ Cattle":1eb7ox9g said:
CowpokeJ
Well-known member
Do you think the 10% fat makes a big difference? I have my cattle on a 3% fat and I'm not really happy with it. I want my cattle in better shape.dun":1oqtjyod said:
CowpokeJ":cinpcd5l said:
We have sort of am unusual problem with fat. We've selected for easy keeping cows for so long that unless the hay or pasture is really crappy the girls still put on fat over the winter. But as long as they're not eating a lot of the mix30 the extra fat doesn;t bother me, or them either come calving time. We don;t feed the stuff as a general rule, but in the next couple of weeks when the day time highs are dropping from the 70s to the 20s and the lows are dropping from the 50s/60s to single digits I figure we'll run some through them. Our hay right now doesn;t appear to be all that bad. Last year we had to feed 3 year old prairie hay that ran about 5-6% protein, that was when we started using mix30 the first time. We;ve fed grain, corn gluten and mix30 over the years and prefer the mix30. Per pound of protein it's cheaper then any of the others and I don;t have to go out and shovel snow out of feeders and haul buckets.
dun
rocket2222
Well-known member
Round here, where I live in Va we have Molmix its 35% protein.The high protein numbers come from the makers of the stuff. Its the way its delivered to your local feed store, they then dilute it with water and its delivered to you. My local feed store says its around 12/14 % when delivered. They supply the tub the stock lick/drink it from for free, and fill it when ever you need more, theres no labor involved except for a phone call. Tub has to be excessable to large truck during bad weather. It works, cows will look better on it.
OP
OP
aplusmnt
Well-known member
Do most of you feed some sort of supplement during the winter no matter what? Last year we never fed a bit of supplement but we had some good tested hay.
Only reason I am looking into it this year is hay sources were scarce and I missed out. I could by some better hay at $50.00 a roll and probably not have to feed any supplement or I got some Lower quality hay at $30 a roll. Way I figure I can feed 2lbs of feed a day per head for $.20 cents a day or $6.00 a month figuring one 3 months of 3 rolls per cow feeding 2lbs a day puts me at $18.00 for feed per cow this winter plus $90.00 for hay total per cow at $108.00 for the winter. Versus $150.00 per cow for winter with good hay only.
I know it is more work but I do not mind lets me check cows at the barn instead of driving around the field doing it. I have to feed show calves anyway.
But if I could have got Bermuda at $35.00 per roll like last year I would not be feeding any grain.
Only reason I am looking into it this year is hay sources were scarce and I missed out. I could by some better hay at $50.00 a roll and probably not have to feed any supplement or I got some Lower quality hay at $30 a roll. Way I figure I can feed 2lbs of feed a day per head for $.20 cents a day or $6.00 a month figuring one 3 months of 3 rolls per cow feeding 2lbs a day puts me at $18.00 for feed per cow this winter plus $90.00 for hay total per cow at $108.00 for the winter. Versus $150.00 per cow for winter with good hay only.
I know it is more work but I do not mind lets me check cows at the barn instead of driving around the field doing it. I have to feed show calves anyway.
But if I could have got Bermuda at $35.00 per roll like last year I would not be feeding any grain.
aplusmnt":20ohu6x2 said:
No. Depends on the weather and the quality of the hay/stockpiled pasture. If the cows are dry and in good condition and maintain or gain condition on the existing feed it's a waste of money to supplement.
dun
OP
OP
aplusmnt
Well-known member
dun":2cf0n471 said:
That was one reason I went with the cheaper hay and plan on doing a little feeding. If we have a mild winter like last year then I might not even need much feed. We have a pretty good amount of stockpiled Fescue.
But the way it looks out the window at the moment I better go buy more hay and feed. It is getting nasty. Really starting to ice over and still freezing rain.
Better turn the heat up dun I think it might be heading your way soon?
It's pretty much here. No end to the rain in sight and it's 33 degrees. Can freezing rain be far away. We started feeding supplement today in expectations of this cold, cold, cold, nasty weather. Hay/roughage helps to stoke their furnace since digesting the roughage does generate some heat. Butthefreezing rain and solid ice coating can;t be any to warm.
dun
dun
OP
OP
aplusmnt
Well-known member
dun":3bzl2sc3 said:
We have dropped from 33 to 29 in just the last hour or so.
OP
OP
aplusmnt
Well-known member
dun":2umflre8 said:
Me and wife are wishing different directions, at her job if roads are bad and no one comes in to work they get paid for it. Now me I clean floors for living and cleaning up after an ice storm is a living nightmare.
But I will take anything that will possibly melt and run into the ponds and creek. Two small ones been dry for long time and big one is down so far it is getting scary.
Friend of mine bought a big whoppin generator for Y2K and never unpacked it. I bought it from him last week and got all the wiring in place to hook it up if/when we lose power for an extended period. If we get the 2-3 inches of ice/freezing rain they're talking about he is going to be one unhappy camper, and I'll be a happy as a clam.
dun
dun
