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ViaGen DNA test reveals poor beef labeling

04/08/2004 - Up to 50 per cent of US retail beef carrying a label with the name ‘Angus’ does not meet the USDA criteria for Angus branding, according to a recent DNA test.

Two tests were performed on multiple brands of steaks purchased from retail outlets across central Texas. To get a better handle on the scope of the problem, ViaGen, the US-based animal genomics firm that carried out the experiment, followed up with an analysis of meat from four geographic regions sold under a single brand name.

The results were the same in both cases, indicating this is an industry-wide issue and is not brand or region specific.

Labels containing the word ‘Angus' are generally an indicator of top quality meat. Branded beef originated when the American Angus Association created the Certified Angus Beef (CAB) designation in 1978 to boost standards and help consumers reliably identify good beef.

Other independent Angus labels followed. Currently, the determination of the amount of Angus is made by a visual inspection of the whole animal. DNA analysis now shows that manual inspection is not always accurate.

The experiment was carried out using AnguSure and Inducator, two new testing kits developed by ViaGen. The tests separately assess the two most common criteria employed in branded beef programmes certified by the USDA: a minimum of 50 per cent Angus (AnguSure) and minimal Brahman influence (Inducator).

"The industry is doing the best they can with the technology available. But these new tests enable producers, consumers and retailers to benefit from increased brand integrity," said Sara Davis ViaGen president.

About three quarters of the samples that failed one or both tests had higher than desired Brahman influence. While a particularly well-suited breed for hot, southern climates, too much Brahman is associated with increased toughness and poor eating quality. Beef that passes both the AnguSure and Inducator tests should therefore ensure consumer satisfaction.

Testing can also be performed on live animals, which ViaGen argues benefits everyone involved in the production and sale of beef.

Offspring of a bull certified as 100 per cent Angus automatically meet the first criterion for Angus branding. Precertification of live cattle allows ranchers to obtain premium prices for their livestock and helps packers ship beef to wholesalers with absolute confidence in quality.

The tests require only a small blood, hair or meat sample to be shipped to the company's lab. Test results can be delivered in as little as two days. ViaGen expects all parts of the industry, from producers to end users, will take advantage of the offerings. The company claims that the tests will be affordably priced to help many industry segments ensure product quality.
 
But it's a dishonest post because the article has nothing to do with CAB, yet Mike used CAB in the title. It doesn't say CAB beef failed the test. The last I knew there were about 40 items in the meat counter using the word "Angus."

Shame on you, Mike.
 
In any undertaking involving more than one person, eventually there are going to misunderstandings and mistakes - vis-a-vis statistical disputes as per this article and the National Animal Identification System article on Ranchers.net forum "- - -he sees multiple databases". My comment there states, "The definitive phrase encompassing this entire endeavor is 'Scrupulous and meticulous implementation of cumulative data and diligent surveillance of documentation and participating personnel'"

If anything is going to function as perceived, honesty and truth must be present at ALL times.

DOC HARRIS
 
and shame on you frankie, CAB was tested,a dn you know it. This article was just reported in a more condensed form here, so the CAB moniker was left out.

We've all seen the article a dozen times, and we know that CAB was the primary brand tested, and that it failed.

mtnman
 
mtnman":37rtwp3g said:
and shame on you frankie, CAB was tested,a dn you know it. This article was just reported in a more condensed form here, so the CAB moniker was left out.

We've all seen the article a dozen times, and we know that CAB was the primary brand tested, and that it failed.

mtnman
CAB=
Calling
Anything
Blackangus
 
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mtnman":289nxcqq said:
and shame on you frankie, CAB was tested,a dn you know it. This article was just reported in a more condensed form here, so the CAB moniker was left out.

We've all seen the article a dozen times, and we know that CAB was the primary brand tested, and that it failed.

mtnman

No, I don't know CAB was tested. I say Mike was dishonest in naming this thread when it shows nothing that says CAB was tested. You say it was tested; show me.
 
Oh my, CAB beef that isnt 100 percent Angus, and it passed CAB standards..... HOOOWE whats this world coming to, dang those crossbred mongrels, messing up the Angus breeds program.
 
houstoncutter":2k6cisc6 said:
Oh my, CAB beef that isnt 100 percent Angus, and it passed CAB standards..... HOOOWE whats this world coming to, dang those crossbred mongrels, messing up the Angus breeds program.

CAB has never claimed to be 100% Angus. As much as you Angus/CAB bashers would like to degrade the program because it doesn't meet your artificial standards, there are USDA-approved standards that are met every day. And people are willing to pay more money for CAB than generic beef. Heck, lots of people are willing to pay more for beef just labeled "Angus" than generic beef.
 
Frankie":zhazpd9w said:
But it's a dishonest post because the article has nothing to do with CAB, yet Mike used CAB in the title. It doesn't say CAB beef failed the test. The last I knew there were about 40 items in the meat counter using the word "Angus."

Shame on you, Mike.

I didn't write the article, I just posted it. My question mark in the title leaves me shameless.


The last I knew there were about 40 items in the meat counter using the word "Angus."

Ha Ha, does that mean angus is 40 times as misleading than the other beef? ;-)
 
MikeC":3h3bc1fm said:
Frankie":3h3bc1fm said:
But it's a dishonest post because the article has nothing to do with CAB, yet Mike used CAB in the title. It doesn't say CAB beef failed the test. The last I knew there were about 40 items in the meat counter using the word "Angus."

Shame on you, Mike.

I didn't write the article, I just posted it. My question mark in the title leaves me shameless.

No, it only shows that you have no shame. You could have said "Angus" cheating? but you chose to bash CAB and leave the impression that this article said CAB had been tested and failed. Aren't you going to support Crowder's claim that the complete article actually named CAB?

The last I knew there were about 40 items in the meat counter using the word "Angus."

Ha Ha, does that mean angus is 40 times as misleading than the other beef? ;-)

No, it means that angus is 40 times as good as your breed. :P

BTW, I'm glad you showed up to defend yourself.
 
MikeC":7yyrf7ww said:
ViaGen DNA test reveals poor beef labeling

04/08/2004 - Up to 50 per cent of US retail beef carrying a label with the name ‘Angus’ does not meet the USDA criteria for Angus branding, according to a recent DNA test.

Two tests were performed on multiple brands of steaks purchased from retail outlets across central Texas. To get a better handle on the scope of the problem, ViaGen, the US-based animal genomics firm that carried out the experiment, followed up with an analysis of meat from four geographic regions sold under a single brand name.

The results were the same in both cases, indicating this is an industry-wide issue and is not brand or region specific.

Labels containing the word ‘Angus' are generally an indicator of top quality meat. Branded beef originated when the American Angus Association created the Certified Angus Beef (CAB) designation in 1978 to boost standards and help consumers reliably identify good beef.

Other independent Angus labels followed. Currently, the determination of the amount of Angus is made by a visual inspection of the whole animal. DNA analysis now shows that manual inspection is not always accurate.

The experiment was carried out using AnguSure and Inducator, two new testing kits developed by ViaGen. The tests separately assess the two most common criteria employed in branded beef programmes certified by the USDA: a minimum of 50 per cent Angus (AnguSure) and minimal Brahman influence (Inducator).

"The industry is doing the best they can with the technology available. But these new tests enable producers, consumers and retailers to benefit from increased brand integrity," said Sara Davis ViaGen president.

About three quarters of the samples that failed one or both tests had higher than desired Brahman influence. While a particularly well-suited breed for hot, southern climates, too much Brahman is associated with increased toughness and poor eating quality. Beef that passes both the AnguSure and Inducator tests should therefore ensure consumer satisfaction.

Testing can also be performed on live animals, which ViaGen argues benefits everyone involved in the production and sale of beef.

Offspring of a bull certified as 100 per cent Angus automatically meet the first criterion for Angus branding. Precertification of live cattle allows ranchers to obtain premium prices for their livestock and helps packers ship beef to wholesalers with absolute confidence in quality.

The tests require only a small blood, hair or meat sample to be shipped to the company's lab. Test results can be delivered in as little as two days. ViaGen expects all parts of the industry, from producers to end users, will take advantage of the offerings. The company claims that the tests will be affordably priced to help many industry segments ensure product quality.
So what does this article have to do with CAB?
When did CAB require a certain % of Angus blood?
 
Heck, lots of people are willing to pay more for beef just labeled "Angus" than generic beef.


Exactly frankie. They don't have a clue what they are buying. So, basically it is generic beef with a little higher standard, called Angus, with no proof other than color.

mtnman
 
Well congratulations, you have some fine animals. But i must say you got me curious. Tell me some curve bending bulls in the Char. biz.


Scotty
 
Tod Dague":2wh93mfe said:
ollie'":2wh93mfe said:
Is Angus America a geneticly identified product?
The Red Angus are but not the black. http://www.angusamerica.com/angus_ameri ... elines.htm
I accessed this Angus America website, and , in my opinion, this is an effort to get to the "MEAT" of the problem of informing the Public about BEEF! :D ;-)

I have expressed my feelings about the Associations not doing a good and credible enough job of PROMOTION many times over the last several years! It appears to me that THIS program not only encourages promotion for the public perusal, but attempts to assist Beef Producers in many ways as well! I take my hat off to all involved for their efforts! :D

DOC HARRIS
 
mtnman":3cobdmkr said:
Heck, lots of people are willing to pay more for beef just labeled "Angus" than generic beef.


Exactly frankie. They don't have a clue what they are buying. So, basically it is generic beef with a little higher standard, called Angus, with no proof other than color.

mtnman

You are correct unless, like CAB, it's a USDA certified brand. Then it has to meet the USDA-approved specifications to be sold as the branded product.

The Angus Association doesn't own the word "Angus". Anyone can use it on a label. CAB is unique because it, like CHB, has the USDA standards behind it.
 

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