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Is it possible to buy good grade 1 embryos and hold them until the value of those genetics go up and resell them to someone wanting to put them in a recip cow?
 
Speculating on their going up in value is pretty much a loser proposition
 
dun":3l5m9x2p said:
Speculating on their going up in value is pretty much a loser proposition
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The most valuable embryo is the one that's about to become a live calf. Unless, maybe you have an embryo sired by Old Jock lying around somewhere...

I'm curious what sort of genetics you're sitting on that you're thinking is going to appreciate (above the cost of the tank and the nitrogen) to keep frozen.
 
EPD's quickly get superseded by each new generation and the value of an embryo is closely tied to its EPD's so the longer you keep them the more out of date they get.
Increases in EPD's or EBV's as we call them here, is supposed to represent genetic gain however in my opinion the actual genetic gain is much less than what the movement in the numbers suggest.
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Thanks for the response, I am not "sitting" on any genetics at the moment. It was just a simple question about maybe turning a small profit at some point down the road. I just was trying to think of a way to be involved in the cattle industry without being able to inherit cattle or land or both. I also can't make believe I own cattle by going to a banker for a loan to buy some,when in actuality the bank owns them until the last cent is paid back and until then I would just be a hired hand of the bank taking care of their cattle. Plus banks require collateral so they can hold your feet to the fire should you fail to produce the money they require. And no I was not recently turned down for a loan and now I'm bitter...I've never had any use for banks or bankers.
 
I've heard of people selling some old bull ampules out of their tanks for good profit, but it would be hit and miss dumb luck if you could foresee what guys are gonna want in 15-20 years. My guess is that you would have a lot of semen/embryos in your tank and get less than what you paid initially for it. You would be better collecting coins IMO, at least you can display them.
 
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It would be breed specific and semen might be a better way to go as the chance of return on the buyer's investment is better but there are quite a few bulls out there that you can get for $20 a straw that are highly proven that jump to $100 the day they die and people pay it if they've figured out what they have when they buy THAT bull. Hold on to it for a few years so that all of the progeny are on the ground and everyone can see how good they are and you might just get your price.
The keys are using a breed that is widely popular but not so popular that there are tons of them around,and having an outlet for the bulls that wind up not increasing in price. Breeds with huge registries improve so fast that by the time the bull dies his genetics are outdated.
 
cow pollinater":2z9nzaql said:
It would be breed specific and semen might be a better way to go as the chance of return on the buyer's investment is better but there are quite a few bulls out there that you can get for $20 a straw that are highly proven that jump to $100 the day they die and people pay it if they've figured out what they have when they buy THAT bull. Hold on to it for a few years so that all of the progeny are on the ground and everyone can see how good they are and you might just get your price.
The keys are using a breed that is widely popular but not so popular that there are tons of them around,and having an outlet for the bulls that wind up not increasing in price. Breeds with huge registries improve so fast that by the time the bull dies his genetics are outdated.
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This is some good info.

CP makes his living at this stuff and has seen many good (and many not so good) idea floating around.
 
Thanks for the insight, I appreciate your thoughts, I have worked around cattle my whole life the problem is they have always been somebody else's :D I like my job, I am just looking for something I can do on the side, cattle related that might make a little profit and provide a sense of ownership and involvement. Thanks again.
 
the best thing to do with embryos is get them put in a recip as soon as possible , what is hot now is not in 2-3 years, I have heard of folks giving them away to get them out of a tank. store them in a recip cow
 
We pick up old genetics pretty cheap this way. I have several sets of embryos that I paid $100 each for, and have put several in. Calves are always marketable, will not be huge money makers, but will sell well. When I have a problem cow, or a cow that did not take her first embryo, I will put a cheap embryo in her to see if she will keep it. It usually works pretty good, I end up with a pregnant cow and a marketable calf to sell later down the road!
 
when a hot donor an AI bull hit the scene the embroyos can go for $400 to $1000ea.but 2yrs later that same mating may bring $50 to $300ea.
 
Thanks again for some different perspectives, you all have gave me some food for thought!
Greatly appreciated.
 

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