busy day tomorrow

[rockridgecattle]

Well the day most cattle farmers look forward to. :shock: :D End up with stepped on toes, bruises, short fuses, self worming or accidental needleing of ones self and a day wild wrangling. :o
It's vaccinations time again.
Even with the squeeze chute and everyting else there is always some form of bruises
once it's done we feel like we accomplished something on that list finally. :D :D
oh yeah with 2" of rain this week the corrals are soup, should make good for a few laughs :lol: :lol:

 

[msscamp]

I don't mean to sound like I'm coming down on you, but you might want to rethink how you're vaccinating so you can better prevent 'self-needling' - that is a major problem in my book. A lot of the vaccines can cause some pretty major health problems when 'self-needled', and some can be fatal. Please be careful.

 

[cattleluvr18]

no kidding msscamp. i can understand bruises but stickin yourself with a needle?? :roll: once their in the chute, im pretty sure they aint gonna go no where. just take your time and pay attention. i know it prolly sounds like were nagging, but its for your safty. are you sure your sober when your doin this?? :lol: :P

 

[rockridgecattle]

Pretty much i know i'm sober 'cause i don't drink.
And pretty much, i took offence to that comment.

Yes safety first but sometimes accidents happen. Sometimes those SQ shots with the little critters jumpin' around no matter how "tight" those calves are in the chute things happen.
Thank goodness no one has gotten sick.

 

[msscamp]

are you sure your sober when your doin this?? :lol: :P

I cannot believe you actually posted this! :roll:

 

[msscamp]

Yes safety first but sometimes accidents happen. Sometimes those SQ shots with the little critters jumpin' around no matter how "tight" those calves are in the chute things happen.
Thank goodness no one has gotten sick.

I hear ya. Would I be correct in thinking that you're tenting the skin with one hand, and injecting with the other? If so that isn't necessary, but first are you using a vaccine gun or a syringe?

 

[hillsdown]

Well the day most cattle farmers look forward to. :shock: :D End up with stepped on toes, bruises, short fuses, self worming or accidental needleing of ones self and a day wild wrangling. :o
It's vaccinations time again.
Even with the squeeze chute and everyting else there is always some form of bruises
once it's done we feel like we accomplished something on that list finally. :D :D
oh yeah with 2" of rain this week the corrals are soup, should make good for a few laughs :lol: :lol:

We are vaccinating tomorrow also what a coincidence.I am actually looking forward to it a teeny tiny bit as I finally got a whole new corral system with 7 foot high double heavey duty panels.Finally;I think my husband got tired of me getting injured so he agreed to a new system.I also let him give all the needles his skin is tougher than mine ;-).Good luck with everything tomorrow and let me know how it goes.I am hoping that once i get them in the corral it will be smooth sailing.Getting them all in is always the tricky part.

 

[rockridgecattle]

Hillsdown, I like to do it too. I was kinda being kind of cheeky. You know every thing that can go wrong. but most definitely safety first. Sometimes it is the best way to see how an animal is doing and check things you might other wise miss on a pasture check.
My husband to has done some serious upgrades to a fallen system, Still a bit to go but who said Rome was built in a day in the cattle business? Be safe.

MSSCamp , I'm not sure how to answer that about the needles. Yes we tent the skin.
I have one of those phizer 2cc dose where the bottle goes on top. It was promo from phizer and i like that gun. So the vet gave me 2 more. We have the roux 50 cc stainless steel with the glass. but they are not very accurate. so we got an Alfex 50 cc. It's going to be for the 4cc dose don't have the bottle with me so I'm guessing the 8 way. I guess if you use the real small 1/2" needle you don't have to tent? Any how we will see how these new needles hold up.

edit: syringe not needle except for the 1/2" thing

 

[hillsdown]

RRC I was being "cheeky" about it too I dread it the stress the short fuse (and that's just Mr.HD) I will probably have a crappy nights sleep worrying about what will go wrong;but will feel so much better once it is done and they can all go out to summer pasture.We use the allflex also we have three going so we know which is which ;doesn't mean you don't accidentally get poked sometimes though.Hope all goes well and let me know tomorrow night how much "fun" you guys had.

 

[milkmaid]

You don't need to tent the skin for SQ... just bring the needle down at a slight angle, and you'd be surprised how easily it goes right where it needs to.

I did my vaccinating last week; I enjoy working the cows, but I'm glad that's over with.

 

[rockridgecattle]

milkmaid, thanks for the info. Might try it.

Tammy

 

[rockridgecattle]

Well, we did it. :D :D Unscathed well almost. Few calves gave us some bruised feet and knees. And i did needle myself. Dang it. Hadn't done that in a long while. Didn't shoot it in but not a clean needle all the same. bled like a stuck pig...seriously. didn't think a small hole could give that much blood. Asked the vet "am i going to die"...no just watch for red line indicating blood poisoning....gee thanks
You know, in the kitchens you're taught if a knife falls don't catch it. If the saran wrap falls don't catch it. So when a calf gets out don't try and stop it with a needle in hand. Drop it in the muck, wash it and startall over. You'd think after all this time i would know better. :shock: :o :oops: :oops:
Any ways big job done.
One calf went into anaphalactic shock. Laboured breathing, swagger, go for a bit and lay down, foaming at the mouth. Gave it epinephrine. The foaming stopped almost immediately, the breathing still a bit laboured. but he is standing longer. We have him and his mother in a pen by them selves to keep an eye on him. Now it's a wait and see. Hope it makes it. Never had this happen before.
Other than that all is quiet, checked the herd and all seems well.

How did yours go Hillsdown?

oh yeah, I like the 50 cc alflex but not the yellow phizer one shot. the needles kept falling out. dang that one too. Tried to just go down the side in instead of tenting, takes practice. Thanks for the advice though

 

[I luv herfrds]

Going to help friends do their herd on Monday. Not looking forward to it. Their cows take pride in chasing you up fences and across the corral as you try to seperate them from their calves.
I mainly like being the iron guy (gal), so when one of the guys makes a wise a** remark I just get a little close with the branding iron and watch them sweat. ;-)
The other ladies run the vaccine guns. Love watching all the husbands look over their shoulders to see which spouse is holding the "gun".

 

[msscamp]

Tried to just go down the side in instead of tenting, takes practice. Thanks for the advice though

Yes, it does. The secret is in the angle and that takes a little experimenting unless there is someone there who can show you.

 

[hillsdown]

Well, we did it. :D :D Unscathed well almost. Few calves gave us some bruised feet and knees. And i did needle myself. Dang it. Hadn't done that in a long while. Didn't shoot it in but not a clean needle all the same. bled like a stuck pig...seriously. didn't think a small hole could give that much blood. Asked the vet "am i going to die"...no just watch for red line indicating blood poisoning....gee thanks
You know, in the kitchens you're taught if a knife falls don't catch it. If the saran wrap falls don't catch it. So when a calf gets out don't try and stop it with a needle in hand. Drop it in the muck, wash it and startall over. You'd think after all this time i would know better. :shock: :o :oops: :oops:
Any ways big job done.
One calf went into anaphalactic shock. Laboured breathing, swagger, go for a bit and lay down, foaming at the mouth. Gave it epinephrine. The foaming stopped almost immediately, the breathing still a bit laboured. but he is standing longer. We have him and his mother in a pen by them selves to keep an eye on him. Now it's a wait and see. Hope it makes it. Never had this happen before.
Other than that all is quiet, checked the herd and all seems well.

How did yours go Hillsdown?

oh yeah, I like the 50 cc alflex but not the yellow phizer one shot. the needles kept falling out. dang that one too. Tried to just go down the side in instead of tenting, takes practice. Thanks for the advice though

Getting them in was a snap I coudn't believe it.I just called girls come from the corral and they came running.My father was here at the time BS'ing with my husband and they couldn't believe how I have them trained.Oh well works for me. Besides the yelling and screaming and what I hate the most is hitting the cows in the face /eyes to get them to go, it went well.Needless to say the person with the degree in agro specializing in animal husbandry needs to go back to school.I guess 10 years out of the field you forget ,either that or he never had it.Beef is way diiferent than dairy.Got them all done and separated. I will wait for heats with my heifers and AI them once and then send them in with the heifer bull.So it was a good day, a long one but well worth it.

I hope your needle stick is not serious also that the calf is OK.They tell you about side effects but thankfully you don't see them very often.Thank goodness you had eppi on hand.

I am glad you got it all done and with only a few scratches as of me; man some of those little ones have attitudes ;-) .

Here's to a good days work :tiphat: .

 

[milkmaid]

I've only had a couple over the years that had a reaction to the vaccine and went into shock... epinephrine is worth its weight in gold! Nowdays I always carry epinephrine when I'm vaccinating any calves, but especially for the first time I work a set of calves, because I don't know how their systems respond to vaccines yet.

Hope that calf is fine... and remember who he is, because you probably want to skip him next time you're vaccinating calves. :P

 

[rockridgecattle]

I had already marked his reaction in the log. but, i didn't clue into a reaction at booster. Thankyou. Good suggestion. The calf was just over a month, vet said anything under two weeks no shots. A month old would be better.
I have to talk to the vet maybe a different brand, but what about the boosters. Now what? there is no getting around he needs them. :shock: :(
We keep epinephrin on hand all the time. When calving, antibiotic treatments for sick animals and vaccinations. Yes very much worth it's weight in gold.

 

[Herefordcross]

If you have cattle jumping all around in the catch then, you need to reevaluate your set up as far as I'm concerned.

 

[milkmaid]

I had already marked his reaction in the log. but, i didn't clue into a reaction at booster. Thankyou. Good suggestion. The calf was just over a month, vet said anything under two weeks no shots. A month old would be better.
I have to talk to the vet maybe a different brand, but what about the boosters. Now what? there is no getting around he needs them. :shock: :(
We keep epinephrin on hand all the time. When calving, antibiotic treatments for sick animals and vaccinations. Yes very much worth it's weight in gold.

Are you selling him at weaning? In your place, I'd just skip the boosters, and IMO he'll be fine.

Any idea which of the vaccines caused him to go into shock? I think I've had most of my problems with the 8-way vaccine, but sometimes it's hard to tell since they don't always go into shock immediately.

 

[rockridgecattle]

I think we are selling him at weaning. but if he reacts here he might react in the feedlot and that would not be good.
which vaccine, no idea.
We used the three pfizer vaccinines and dextomax. We put the calves in a pen after the shots and released when we did them all. That's when we spotted him and treated.

Herdfordcross, we always reevaluate our system if there is complication. but little 200-300# calves are hard in a situation. Just haven't figured out how to make it better. I think out of all the vaccination we do at different times of the year these little guys are the hardest. do you shrink your squeeze chute built for cow, bull, yearlings, and put two in at a time, open the upper rung for access, which is what we do or should i say did. Or do you do them in the alley way getting your toes trampled, and pushed around an bruised by exciteable little ones...just not sure the alternatives. High qualls squeeze chute is good for everything but those little ones.