Bulls think spring is here

[Oldtimer]

Well- after a year where it seemed like Spring would never come- and its snowed every day until a couple days ago (ended up the 3rd snowiest year in history)- we're finally seeing 60-70 degree days...And the bulls are enjoying the fact things are drying out- and enjoying the sun...

Heres the 2 year old bull we had leased out last year- like the way he is growing out and the looks of his calves the guy that had leased him is getting-- so are going to use him quite a bit this year...
Lazy Bar B Bannon 2 BY #17049646 - which is a double bred Bannon of Wye son...



Heres the 3 year old bull we got quite a number of calves from this Spring - and I will use him some this year too... Lazy Bar B Juanada Rito 06X #16741353.... He's about as close to a sleep all night calving ease/heifer bull as you can find....His calves out of heifers have averaged right around 70lbs- and I never saw a heifer calving ...


He is sure starting to look more like his grandsire Rito Legacy and greatgrandsire RR Rito 707 every day... He traces back to 707 over 20 times....

 

[3waycross]

I like the second bull. He reminds me of that New Standard son i sold last year!!

 

[gizmom]

I like both bulls but really like the look of the Legacy bull. We used the 3R9 bull of a few heifers this year, so looking forward to seeing the calves.

Gizmom

 

[southernblues]

We just bought heifer bull out of Rito 6EM3. Calving Ease Deluxe is what I am being told.

 

[KNERSIE]

The first bull must have a helluva set of EPDs

 

[ALACOWMAN]

as usual cant see all.. but in this case the parts that are needed.... #2 nice bull

 

[Limomike]

2nd bull does look good. Bet that 1st one will be able to get up on the girls better. Hes along legged dude.

 

[Oldtimer]

The first bull must have a helluva set of EPDs

Actually not much for EPD's... What he has is a strong lineup of maternal sires in his background (Bannon of Wye (Favour of Wye, Bear of Wye, Lodge of Wye), Basin Max 602C, EXT, Shoshone Viking GD-60, 6807, etc.) and a sire and grandsire that made some pretty nice low input cows.... I'm hoping he will do the same... By doubling up the Bannon of Wye I'm hoping I get the positives of those genetics... I love the good feet and dispositions the Bannons put on their calves/heifers... And the good cows they make...I guess I won't know if my gamble worked for about 10 years or so...

I had him leased out last year- and the old cowboy that had him really liked the bull and the calves he got... Loved his dog gentle disposition...And he would have bought him- if I hadn't wanted back to use for myself...

At this time I'm still unsure what he will grow out to be or what his calves/heifers will be...As soon as I get him tested- I am going to send in a bloodcard and get a DNA profile done too- just for my own curiousity.... Right now he is a 5 frame- which is what his sire was too...

This is his sire after being with the cows two months..

This is the bull as a calf..

In the fall a little over a month before weaning time.. Weaned at 705 lbs...

 

[3waycross]

He hasn't changed much!

Sire is a nice bull!

 

[Oldtimer]

He hasn't changed much!

Sire is a nice bull!

Yep and I probably would have sold Bannon 2 BY when the old cowboy offered good money - except for the genetics he carries- and what a great little cow his dam is... His dam is a 4 frame cow that never on her best day came close to weighing 1200 lbs-- but has raised 2 heifer calves averaging 625 lbs and a bull calf that weighed 705 (now has an 82 lb bull calf sired by Juanada Rito 06 born 3/19/13 on the ground)... And she eats cake from your hand and her and her progeny have about the quietest dispositions I have ever found..... I would love to repeat that-- again and again!
I hope as a linebred bull (1/2 brother/1/2 sister mating) he will give me all the good qualities and add to those qualities of the Bannon of Wye bull- and his dam and sire... That makes his inbreeding coefficient 12.55%... Only time will tell.... (But as I've found in playing with genetics and breeding cattle- instead of horses as also did for years-- at least you can eat your mistakes with the cattle! ;-) )

I'm going to put him on some other cows with Wye/Bannon of Wye breeding along with the Rito 707/Juanada-Cole Creek cows and push the linebreeding to as much as around 30% on some and see what I get... I'm thinking/hoping it will all be positive for maternal qualities... :???:

I look at him- and think he has too much leg (think he will mature between a 4 and 5 frame)- then I look at how long he is- and the pictures of some of the old Wye bulls- and some of the Shoshone bulls (Wye bred) like Viking GD60 and think he fits right in with some of those that are thought of thruout much of the angus world as the top maternal bulls in the world.... He has the first qualities I look for in a bull- good feet- quiet disposition- and a strong straight back...
I don't know if you've ever gotten a chance to get your hands on the book "A Shoshone Collection" by Larry Leonard- but if not try to...Fantastic history of Wye/Shoshone cattle and maternal cattle- with lots of pictures I never saw before....

 

[TexasBred]

Hopefully bull #2 did most of the breeding. No. 1 looks like a POS. Just my opinion based on one pic.

 

[Oldtimer]

Hopefully bull #2 did most of the breeding. No. 1 looks like a POS. Just my opinion based on one pic.

I haven't bred anything to him-yet.... But I am this spring....There are times I question his looks- the long lankiness- but then remember its his genetics I'm looking to pass on and not his looks- and that several of the old top maternal bulls were POS's for looks (Candolier Forever 376 jumps to mind first- Tehama Bando 155 next..I didn't really care for Basin Max 602C's looks either-- but they all turned out to be top momma cow makers.) Even his own sire looked to me to have too much leg until he got a little older..
Like I said its a gamble that we probably won't know if it paid off good or bad for 10 years or so- until we can see if he can make producing daughters- but if not we can always eat the mistakes... ;-)

 

[brihop]

From UM's current AI lineup: If you AI to Aiken and to Lorton, you'll be getting the sire lineup found in Bannon. Of course crossing offspring of one of those directly to other one would be best concentration. I noticed Bannon was pulled from sustainable genetics website. any word on why?

 

[Post Oak]

He hasn't changed much!

Sire is a nice bull!

Yep and I probably would have sold Bannon 2 BY when the old cowboy offered good money - except for the genetics he carries- and what a great little cow his dam is... His dam is a 4 frame cow that never on her best day came close to weighing 1200 lbs-- but has raised 2 heifer calves averaging 625 lbs and a bull calf that weighed 705 (now has an 82 lb bull calf sired by Juanada Rito 06 born 3/19/13 on the ground)... And she eats cake from your hand and her and her progeny have about the quietest dispositions I have ever found..... I would love to repeat that-- again and again!
I hope as a linebred bull (1/2 brother/1/2 sister mating) he will give me all the good qualities and add to those qualities of the Bannon of Wye bull- and his dam and sire... That makes his inbreeding coefficient 12.55%... Only time will tell.... (But as I've found in playing with genetics and breeding cattle- instead of horses as also did for years-- at least you can eat your mistakes with the cattle! ;-) )

I'm going to put him on some other cows with Wye/Bannon of Wye breeding along with the Rito 707/Juanada-Cole Creek cows and push the linebreeding to as much as around 30% on some and see what I get... I'm thinking/hoping it will all be positive for maternal qualities... :???:

I look at him- and think he has too much leg (think he will mature between a 4 and 5 frame)- then I look at how long he is- and the pictures of some of the old Wye bulls- and some of the Shoshone bulls (Wye bred) like Viking GD60 and think he fits right in with some of those that are thought of thruout much of the angus world as the top maternal bulls in the world.... He has the first qualities I look for in a bull- good feet- quiet disposition- and a strong straight back...
I don't know if you've ever gotten a chance to get your hands on the book "A Shoshone Collection" by Larry Leonard- but if not try to...Fantastic history of Wye/Shoshone cattle and maternal cattle- with lots of pictures I never saw before....

I enjoyed the book about the Wye cattle that you told me about. Where do you get the Larry Leonhardt book from?

 

[Oldtimer]

He hasn't changed much!

Sire is a nice bull!

Yep and I probably would have sold Bannon 2 BY when the old cowboy offered good money - except for the genetics he carries- and what a great little cow his dam is... His dam is a 4 frame cow that never on her best day came close to weighing 1200 lbs-- but has raised 2 heifer calves averaging 625 lbs and a bull calf that weighed 705 (now has an 82 lb bull calf sired by Juanada Rito 06 born 3/19/13 on the ground)... And she eats cake from your hand and her and her progeny have about the quietest dispositions I have ever found..... I would love to repeat that-- again and again!
I hope as a linebred bull (1/2 brother/1/2 sister mating) he will give me all the good qualities and add to those qualities of the Bannon of Wye bull- and his dam and sire... That makes his inbreeding coefficient 12.55%... Only time will tell.... (But as I've found in playing with genetics and breeding cattle- instead of horses as also did for years-- at least you can eat your mistakes with the cattle! ;-) )

I'm going to put him on some other cows with Wye/Bannon of Wye breeding along with the Rito 707/Juanada-Cole Creek cows and push the linebreeding to as much as around 30% on some and see what I get... I'm thinking/hoping it will all be positive for maternal qualities... :???:

I look at him- and think he has too much leg (think he will mature between a 4 and 5 frame)- then I look at how long he is- and the pictures of some of the old Wye bulls- and some of the Shoshone bulls (Wye bred) like Viking GD60 and think he fits right in with some of those that are thought of thruout much of the angus world as the top maternal bulls in the world.... He has the first qualities I look for in a bull- good feet- quiet disposition- and a strong straight back...
I don't know if you've ever gotten a chance to get your hands on the book "A Shoshone Collection" by Larry Leonard- but if not try to...Fantastic history of Wye/Shoshone cattle and maternal cattle- with lots of pictures I never saw before....

I enjoyed the book about the Wye cattle that you told me about. Where do you get the Larry Leonhardt book from?

Well Post Oak-- this is the site of the rather unorthodox think out of the box crew that had it...
And here is the comment I got when I couldn't remember who had them printed and asked:
http://www.keeneyscorner.com/t982-the-s ... book#22351