Bull prices?

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Hi I'm new to the forum & the cattle business. I'm considering raising Black Angus so I've been watching angus auctions & trying to get an idea about what they go for, but I saw a an auction yesterday with 2 bulls one sold for $11,000 but its brother went for only 5,000...they both had the same disposition, fleshing ability, calving ease, low maintenance, could marble well on just grass & the same sire plus the 11,000 was smaller than the other but went for ALOT more. So my question is what REALLY determines what their selling price? does it just depend on how much someone is willing to pay or am i missing something? any info would be appreciated thanks!
 
When your talking bull sales and bred heifers you'd better figure in the moon phase 'cause who knows what will open some peoples wallets . If your still considering it I'd take in a Ranching for profit school and really figure out what you want out of raising cattle . If your into buy high sell low this mite be a good time to get in , 'cause it's about as high as anyone has seen it.
 
How much a bull brings also depends on the breeder (who is selling it). A well known producer will usually get more money than the average guy.

People will pay for a name.
 
Thank for the replies! I didn't think of the breeder but I figured it was sort of a consumer based market...like a good bull is only worth as much as someone's willing to pay for it, but one guy was like 'well you get what you pay for.' that's why I assumed there had to be some kind of genetic gold mine or secret I wasn't in on with the $11,000 bull lol.

I grew up on a farm, just a small farm with about 9 cows, a bull, a horse, few chickens & a couple pigs. I'm not really in it to try & get rich, just make a decent profit. My main goal is to expand the farm & switch over to a registered breed I still don't know which breed is best...guess it's just a matter of opinion but right now it seems like angus is "in" i guess lol.
 
to get those big prices youve seen.a breeder has put about 30yrs into breeding reg cattle.an has used AI an ET work through out his herd.plus he has bought the best bulls an donor cows money can buy.an he has built his name up as well.
 
bigbull338":1ikm8rmi said:
to get those big prices youve seen.a breeder has put about 30yrs into breeding reg cattle.an has used AI an ET work through out his herd.plus he has bought the best bulls an donor cows money can buy.an he has built his name up as well.
are you've seen a a rich man that decided he wanted to play cowboy
 
ALACOWMAN":2hskixs6 said:
bigbull338":2hskixs6 said:
to get those big prices youve seen.a breeder has put about 30yrs into breeding reg cattle.an has used AI an ET work through out his herd.plus he has bought the best bulls an donor cows money can buy.an he has built his name up as well.
are you've seen a a rich man that decided he wanted to play cowboy
well i know 1 that has been in the reg beefmasters 14yrs an he has done all of those things im talking about.he uses AI very heavy along with buying the best bulls money can buy.he has a donor herd that #s close to 20hd or more.plus he has either 100+ or more ET calves on the ground or pregs.add to it 40 bulls he is raising for next years breeding season sales.an his 3rd production sale coming up.
 
I'm looking for a good breeding bull and I have found a purebred Semmintal bull who is 6 yrs old and approx. 1500-2000lbs. The lady is looking to get $2,000.00 for the bull I was wounding if thats a good price? Can anyone give me some feed back
 
personally i would not buy that bull as a 6yr old bull is pretty old in my eyes.id be afraide he would go bad before you could get a couple years out of him.an that price is atlest $800 to high.as he is only worth weigh price in my eyes.
 
Bmc0514":2m3vokn2 said:
I'm looking for a good breeding bull and I have found a purebred Semmintal bull who is 6 yrs old and approx. 1500-2000lbs. The lady is looking to get $2,000.00 for the bull I was wounding if thats a good price? Can anyone give me some feed back
depends on how good of calves he's sired, heck a couple calf crops and he's paid for himself.. now as killers are bringing nearly what you paid or more, for em off the farm,, id rather pay that for a proven bull then a yearlin or a 2 year old
 
ALACOWMAN":3u5rs6r1 said:
bigbull338":3u5rs6r1 said:
to get those big prices youve seen.a breeder has put about 30yrs into breeding reg cattle.an has used AI an ET work through out his herd.plus he has bought the best bulls an donor cows money can buy.an he has built his name up as well.
are you've seen a a rich man that decided he wanted to play cowboy

And there are a lot who do. There are times on some of these high priced bulls no money changes hands except on paper. I know I have said it before I pulled up to a invetational sale one time in a new 40,000 F-250 and had the cheapest car in the parking lot. That was over ten years ago, some of these prices are for publication purposes for those ate up by the current bull on this month's cover.
 
Caustic Burno":c2zk6rgd said:
ALACOWMAN":c2zk6rgd said:
bigbull338":c2zk6rgd said:
to get those big prices youve seen.a breeder has put about 30yrs into breeding reg cattle.an has used AI an ET work through out his herd.plus he has bought the best bulls an donor cows money can buy.an he has built his name up as well.
are you've seen a a rich man that decided he wanted to play cowboy

And there are a lot who do. There are times on some of these high priced bulls no money changes hands except on paper. I know I have said it before I pulled up to a invetational sale one time in a new 40,000 F-250 and had the cheapest car in the parking lot. That was over ten years ago, some of these prices are for publication purposes for those ate up by the current bull on this month's cover.
or you get the.... they spent big money at our last production sale... we're gonna have to return the favor.. keep the money ciculating
 
when the big boys trade bloodlines back an forth big money is involved.because theres always 4 or 5 breeders that all work togather to promote new hot bloodlines.an in doing so alot of heifers an cows change hands at the sales.
 
Best bet is to find somebody who will be willing to work with you to get into the market. If you can locally, but if not then find somebody who has a breed you would be interested in and see if they can help you out. You need to find something that is putting pounds on if you are looking to go commercial and not be selling genetics. Pick a breed and then I'll bet folks on here will help you out to find good producers. Ask away because people on here have been really helpful to me; pm if you have specific questions and folks are really helpful on the side too!
 
I agree with all of the above. Usually when you see the extream high prices it is a country club of several breeders that just send the money from ranch to ranch. You pay $100,000. for mine and I'll pay $100,000. for yours. I did see one of the larger Angus breeders get ran out of business that way. He had spent about $85,000 at sales in the past 3 months and when his sale came up every one of those in his country club circle bought low $3,000.- $5,000. Put him out of business quick. A very dangerous game to get involved with. Also in answering your question on why two bulls, brothers sold for such a different price. Were they FULL brothers? eye appeal and difference in EPDs come into play. And like someone else said if they were being sold by different breeders that also can make a big difference. We do mostly AI but for a clean up bull, I am not willing to take much of a drop in quality, so I probably pay a little more for a bull then others. Our clean-up bull is in the top 5% of the breed in 12 EPDs and I paid $3,500 for him as a yearling. There are several schools of thought for starting a new herd. Some will buy older cows with excellent pedigrees at a reasonable price, get 3-4 calves out of them and then ship them. I have tried this and it did not work good for me. Got to many bull calves and that made it slow building a herd. I also purchased a 10 year old donor cow that I really wanted. It was one of the most sought after donors. She died 4 months after I bought her. I perfer buying young open heifers, excellent pedigrees at a reasonable price. It is only a few months and you can breed them. I am using heifer sexed semen on my heifers so now my female fondation is building fast and I am getting the pedigrees that I want. A very well respected breeder told me something reasently that has changed my thinking. I, like everyone else was using several AI sires each year and trying to guess which sire is going to be the hot sire next year. He pointed out that because I was trying to build the fondation of our herd, I would be better off picking one or two sires that I really like and use them instead of using all the hot AI sires. This way I would get much more continuity in my herd. Again, looking at it this way, the fact that I am using sexed semen on our heifers, this all makes sense. There are only a few AI sires that they are offering sexed semen from. I hope I did not overload you with information. Maybe some of this you will be able to put to use in the future. Good Luck !!!!! :cboy:
 

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