BULL PHOTO'S

[ALACOWMAN]

i see that some of these photo's are of show animals and the only work they do is squirt in a collection tube. which is fine and dandy that's what moves the industry foward. but the range/working bull that has to travel and graze and service cows is not gonna looks as appealing to the novice eye. so when their looking over the bull's they need too realize this and be made aware of what their looking at. just cause one may look a little shallow or sunken here and there dont mean they aint a breeder

 

[S.R.R.]

IMO only-beefs range bull is a good example of this.

http://cattletoday.com/forum/viewtopic. ... highlight=

 

[alacattleman]

and this one http://cattletoday.com/photos/data/500/ ... entsbw.jpg

 

[DOC HARRIS]

and this one http://cattletoday.com/photos/data/500/ ... entsbw.jpg

alacattleman-Bingo! This hits the common sense Jackpot! If our average Beef Breeder could understand the critical significance incorporating Phenotype, Genotype (EPD's) and how MERGING the two together with a PRACTICAL goal in mind for how a "Herd Improvement" bull will appear while doing heavy range duty - and STILL present excellent phenotype. A good Beef Producer, in order to recognize real quality, must be able to see through the Mud, Manure, and Macabre and distinquish Genetic Quality, Inherent Characteristic Traits, and Predictable $Values of a Bull's progeny in spite of his physical appearance during breeding season. The bull pictured on this link is an excellent example of that kind of bull - one which could improve most range herds! Put 300 pounds on him and he could be a show winner!

DOC HARRIS

 

[ALACOWMAN]

and this one http://cattletoday.com/photos/data/500/ ... entsbw.jpg

alacattleman-Bingo! This hits the common sense Jackpot! If our average Beef Breeder could understand the critical significance incorporating Phenotype, Genotype (EPD's) and how MERGING the two together with a PRACTICAL goal in mind for how a "Herd Improvement" bull will appear while doing heavy range duty - and STILL present excellent phenotype. A good Beef Producer, in order to recognize real quality, must be able to see through the Mud, Manure, and Macabre and distinquish Genetic Quality, Inherent Characteristic Traits, and Predictable $Values of a Bull's progeny in spite of his physical appearance during breeding season. The bull pictured on this link is an excellent example of that kind of bull - one which could improve most range herds! Put 300 pounds on him and he could be a show winner!

DOC HARRIS

that's is exactly right how can the common novice tell the difference without a guideline ;-)

 

[jcarkie]

in sale catalogs they always show them at a show and to me it doesn't impress me i would rather see them in working clothes. i am not showing cattle. those bulls are good looking in the pics

 

[Ryan]

I wonder what a novice would think if they walked out into a big pasture, full of cows, and they saw a bull all fluffed up and "showy" looking? I'd be wondering if we was scared to work. Might get dirty or mess up his hair. ??? I know that is what i would think if I was not used to, or had seen something like that.

Ryan

 

[ollie']

i see that some of these photo's are of show animals and the only work they do is squirt in a collection tube. which is fine and dandy that's what moves the industry foward. but the range/working bull that has to travel and graze and service cows is not gonna looks as appealing to the novice eye. so when their looking over the bull's they need too realize this and be made aware of what their looking at. just cause one may look a little shallow or sunken here and there dont mean they aint a breeder

Not trying to be an antagonist but I don't remember any show bulls. Did I miss them?

 

[Texan]

Not trying to be an antagonist.....

 

[ollie']

Not trying to be an antagonist.....

You are pretty funny for a short fat man . It's a good thing you have a good personality.

 

[Texan]

It's a good thing you have a good personality.

Wait 'til I tell the old lady. She'll sure be glad to hear that..... :lol2:

 

[ALACOWMAN]

well in not trying to be antgonistic either. just my observation . im not running down either one but you can feed and fluff one and make it apppealing to most - BEGINNERS -like polishing a turd. the begginer will naturally like the polished turd. rather than the bull in his working outfit. the bulls that i see in the photo's are all outstanding but they aint in the feild working and you and i now it. if there not in a show being jugded then i apolozise .i realize that you ollie maybe a better judge of cattle than me but most novice aint and that is what im talking about

 

[la4angus]

well in not trying to be antgonistic either. just my observation . im not running down either one but you can feed and fluff one and make it apppealing to most - BEGINNERS -like polishing a turd. the begginer will naturally like the polished turd. rather than the bull in his working outfit. the bulls that i see in the photo's are all outstanding but they aint in the feild working and you and i now it. if there not in a show being jugded then i apolozise .i realize that you ollie maybe a better judge of cattle than me but most novice aint and that is what im talking about

I am not trying to be antagonistic either, but IMO there has been many more that looked like a piece of Sht than a show bull and not a polished piece of Sht either. I have seen several bulls in the pasture with the cows that looked like pretty dern good herd bulls and not show bulls.

 

[DiamondSCattleCo]

I see alot of reference to "working clothes" these days. Not trying to be arguementative, but shouldn't we be shooting for breeding stock who are easy keeping? IE: They can work as hard as they need to, but still not drop weight? In other words, other than a haircut, their working clothes are their only set of clothes? One of my selection traits is easy keeping. If a bull can't service a full range of cattle and still maintain weight, he leaves. I spose on wide open range, this gets tougher due to the number of miles a bull has to cover in a day, but I'd still be looking to minimize the working vs fed up weight.

Rod

 

[ollie']

well in not trying to be antgonistic either. just my observation . im not running down either one but you can feed and fluff one and make it apppealing to most - BEGINNERS -like polishing a turd. the begginer will naturally like the polished turd. rather than the bull in his working outfit. the bulls that i see in the photo's are all outstanding but they aint in the feild working and you and i now it. if there not in a show being jugded then i apolozise .i realize that you ollie maybe a better judge of cattle than me but most novice aint and that is what im talking about

I'm not any better cattle judge than anyone. I just havn't seen any bulls that I thought (or many at least) were popular show bulls or bulls that alot of semen was being sold on. That's all. I wondered if I had missed them. I thought most of the bulls looked pretty natural. Mine stay pretty fat anyway so I may be biased. I'm not being critical alacowman, just wondered if I missed some.

 

[Texan]

I don't like fat bulls and I don't like seeing pictures of fat bulls, either. Fat bulls are just like clean bulls to me---means they're lazy and not doing what I put them out to do.

A bull should be athletic looking and a little bit dirty. Problem is, when most people go to buy bulls, they end up liking the fat one. Wash him and take the clippers to him and they like him even better. Go figure. I'll wait and buy mine off season after they've been turned back out.

 

[ollie']

I don't like fat bulls and I don't like seeing pictures of fat bulls, either. Fat bulls are just like clean bulls to me---means they're lazy and not doing what I put them out to do.

A bull should be athletic looking and a little bit dirty. Problem is, when most people go to buy bulls, they end up liking the fat one. Wash him and take the clippers to him and they like him even better. Go figure. I'll wait and buy mine off season after they've been turned back out.

My neighbor runs those Texan. When he goes and gets them after turnout he can save opening a gate. They can crawl through the panels. They are all teeth, tail. I like to see their hide shake while they trot through the cows. :lol: Look at it this way though Texan, you save money on dewormer on those flyweight bulls. :lol:

 

[Texan]

I like to see their hide shake while they trot through the cows. :lol:

I'm sure you really just like to see a bull trot. Old Red Rolley Polley hasn't trotted since he was a baby calf.

 

[ollie']

:lol: Roll, trot, what's the difference?

 

[Texan]

Yeah, or he could just ride with the feed truck. They're probably headed the same direction.