Brassieres for milk cows

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I was looking at pictures of the Cattle of Iceland and found this low cut style. Actually it has slipped back.
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So I searched cow udder supports and found this. Apparently they are quite a thing in Brazil.
https://www.dairyglobal.net/health-...unique-udder-support-method-in-the-spotlight/
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Cow brassieres can be purchased in the United States but I doubt many are needed because US dairymen have bred for good suspensory ligaments. https://www.somatco.com/letupudder.htm
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When my Jersey was a first calf heifer I made her a bra out of an old sweatshirt and two bathrobe belts but it wasn't for support. It was to force the calf to nurse on the back two little short teats and stretch them. It didn't work.
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Women get this too. It's called Furniture Disease. That's when your chest falls into your drawers.
 
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I was looking at pictures of the Cattle of Iceland and found this low cut style. Actually it has slipped back.
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So I searched cow udder supports and found this. Apparently they are quite a thing in Brazil.
https://www.dairyglobal.net/health-...unique-udder-support-method-in-the-spotlight/
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Cow brassieres can be purchased in the United States but I doubt many are needed because US dairymen have bred for good suspensory ligaments. https://www.somatco.com/letupudder.htm
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When my Jersey was a first calf heifer I made her a bra out of an old sweatshirt and two bathrobe belts but it wasn't for support. It was to force the calf to nurse on the back two little short teats and stretch them. It didn't work.
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Women get this too. It's called Furniture Disease. That's when your chest falls into your drawers.
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My perverted mind is seeing all that udder fall out......

Reminds me of Rodney Carrington
All right. That's enough grandma. Roll em back up!
 
That's what happens when farmers look at production only and not at body conformation and udder/teat traits...been there done that, and it can be crippling
 
I found this in the Merck Manual under Traumatic and Structural Disorders of the Bovine Udder

[H2]Breakdown of Udder Support Apparatus of Cows[/H2]
Failure of the suspensory ligaments of the udder (usually the medial suspensory ligament) occurs gradually in some older cows, often related to overengorgement and edema, and leads to a dropping of the udder, resulting in lateral deviation of the teats and making teat cup attachment difficult. Occasionally, acute rupture can occur at or just after parturition. Animals with this condition are at high risk of developing mastitis. There is no successful treatment; supportive trusses generally are not satisfactory. The condition is suspected to have a genetic basis, and these animals should be removed from the milking herd.

It says "support trusses" (cow brassiers) are not satisfactory, which is odd because they sure are are in women.

Back in the hippy days I majored in agricultures for a while. Our professor was an older country gentleman who told it like it is. One day he was lecturing on dairy udder support and the importance of the suspensory ligament. And that cows with blown ligaments were known as 'swing bags'. Then he said "I should not say this because there are some women in the class these days . . . . . But there are a lot of swing bags walking around this campus".
 
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I was pondering this, and am shocked that it's not more common. My understanding is that dairy cows average a 3 lactation lifespan due to falling productivity or swing bag. There was a great thread (to which I think the OP was one of the major contributors) that I started about dairy, and she went on about the utility of great udder hygiene avoiding teat loss through mastitis with some really great data.

If we think about the 2 years between "female calf born" and "productive life starts" and then on to "used up dairy cow sent for slaughter", the 20-22 months between birth and first calving are "overhead" which must be amortized over the productive life of the cow, which for simplicity we can break down into milk per lactation and total number of lactations prior to slaughter. Feeding a less productive cow is a cost, but so is feeding a completely unproductive cow while she grows and carries her first calf; none of that is news. We have 3 levers to pull to try to keep productivity high enough to justify more lactations and to allow for more lactations: 1) udder hygiene to keep all of the teats productive 2) genetics for high production, both of which are already HEAVILY optimized by the dairy industry. But #2 tends to work against number of lactations, and selecting for an strong central ligament may be one of the most difficult traits to pick in a cow because selecting for #2 works against it (i.e. a heavier udder can overcome a strong central ligament) and the trait only becomes visible in older cows AFTER the majority of their calves already became veal or were turned into replacement calves. Worse still, the only thing that the farmer can see is how many productive lactations a cow lasted, which observation is beset by a mountain of confounding variables which have nothing do with central ligament strength and longevity. The only real way to grade central ligament health is autopsy (at which point the only way to get a calf out of that cow is to have preemptively harvested eggs before you slaughtered the cow and found out if you just wasted that vet bill) or to invent a procedure with something like an ultrasound to grade the central ligament while the cow is alive (which sounds like a big research project with a vet school). The point being, scientifically selecting for central ligament strength isn't trivial even without considering the difficulty of selecting for other traits at the same time (i.e. you breed "Hurricane", a Jersey with a central ligament built like a suspension bridge cable but with the disposition of a rabid velociraptor).

So let's go back a step and say "how much do these things cost and will the cows keep them on?" I bet some cows hate them, but most get used to them. Nursing calves probably tear them up, and they probably get torn up from a variety of things. But If you're buying them in bulk, I bet it's a $20-30 piece of nylon. If using them adds just one more productive lactation per cow, surely that pays for itself. But what if you leaned into that "crutch", and aggressively bred for higer production, to the extent that you added to milk production from the second lactation onward while the cow bra mitigated the risk of swing bag? Ultimately, your figure of merit is "pounds of fat and protein adjusted milk/total cost adjusted feed consumption". If cow bras improved that number, then I'd buy pink and lacy ones for my cows while the other farmers and ranchers laughed at my fashion sense and envied my extra profits.
 
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Those cow bras get dirty, there's no way to prevent it. The teat ends rub against the dirty fabric/webbing, which is conducive to introducing bacteria and mastitis. I used one years ago, before we installed a cross fence to separate the pastures, to keep one of my other cow's calves from nursing on one I was trying to dry up, and she kept it on just fine, but it got pretty dirty and she ended up with mastitis. I blame the bra. They SEEM like a great idea, but I don't think they really are. If you try to use it to extend the milking life of a large-uddered cow, but she ends up with mastitis, what have you accomplished?
 
The proper cow bra needs to have 'kinky peekaboo cutoutsfor all four teats'. That would solve the teat ends rubbing mastitis risk. One single strap down the midline of the udder might work but it would get displaced.

Breeding for strong suspensory ligaments has been going for a long time. According to my Select Sires catalog of bulls this is all laid out. You don't get to see the bulls as they have so much refined dairy character they resemble cows with hairy bellybuttons. You get to see comely pictures of their daughters displaying their udders. Here traits of his daughters, including udder traits, are collected and displayed on a scale of strong to weak.
Fore Udder Attachment
Rear Udder Height
Rear Udder Width
Udder Cleft
Udder Depth
Front Teat Placement
Rear Teat Placement
Teat Length

I have friends that run a commercial dairy. They only milk a few hundred cows in a double herringbone, 20 at a time. It's not a giant factory farm milking 1000s. I've been in their parlor many times and ask the ages of the cows and other questions. Lots of their cows are 5 years and over, even 8 year olds are still producing. The udders of these mostly Holsteins blow my mind the are so tucked up and high.
 
As a matter of fact, I recently sold my three 15 month old ready to breed Jerseys to this dairy. They will get good care and have useful lives, plus I can visit them in the milking parlor. :)

" We have 3 levers to pull to try to keep productivity high enough to justify more lactations and to allow for more lactations: 1) udder hygiene to keep all of the teats productive 2) genetics for high production, both of which are already HEAVILY optimized by the dairy industry. But #2 tends to work against number of lactations, and selecting for an strong central ligament may be one of the most difficult traits to pick in a cow because selecting for #2 works against it (i.e. a heavier udder can overcome a strong central ligament) and the trait only becomes visible in older cows" (thank you for your insights)

My commercial dairy friends have shown cattle on a national scale and still show a few with their son in FFA. I was smitten this year by the champion Jersey in the county fair, # 833. I wanted to know the sire of this first calf heifer to add to my bloodline. Bob said Do not judge a first or second calf heifer. Wait until the third calf. How has her udder held up?
 
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All of that makes a ton of sense. First: I think the mastitis fear is legitimate, particularly if the goal is longevity. An 8 year old cow with one working teat isn't a net win. I do think that there are ways to solve that with bra design and technique, but my knowledge isn't sufficient to begin to work on that issue yet. I think that a complicating or alleviating variable will be the rise of more automated milkers like the new Lely stuff. If the machine takes another minute to clean the udder before and after milking, that's a lot less of a penalty than each cow taking another 2 minutes from my day.
Second, I'm fascinated by the ideas of breeding for central ligament health, but one counter argument that I've seen is an average of 2.75 lactations per dairy cow in the US. I think that's a statistic that we've touched upon before, and folks in this thread have commented that at least some of that relatively low limit stems from teat loss due to mastitis. And perhaps mastitis due to poor hygiene is the sole issue, in which case central ligaments in high production Holstein or Holstein-Jerseys are more than sufficient for many more than 2.75 lactations IF milking hygiene doesn't wipe out teats at a ludicrous rate.

I'd be thrilled to only have one problem to solve.
 
My Select Sires dairy catalog shows that bulls are also scored on the strength of the daughter's udder cleft. That would be the suspensory ligament, a sort of built in bra.
It's already being selected for. Here are traits dairy bulls are selected for transmitting to daughters.
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Another reason cows are sold early is because of lameness. Here you can see the bulls are also selected for good feet and legs.
 
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My Select Sires dairy catalog shows that bulls are also scored on the strength of the daughter's udder cleft. That would be the suspensory ligament, a sort of built in bra.
Yes, that much I understand. The disparity that I'm trying to understand better is why the US average is 2.75 cycles if dairy farmers have optimized the big issues that cull dairy cows. Maybe you can answer this question better if I make it broader: what are you friends doing that allows them to get nearly twice the cycles out of their cows vs the national average?
 
My friends have a small herd as dairys go. Problems are quickly noticed and nipped in the bud. They have one 16 year old pet cow. She comes in and gets lined up in the parlor but no milking cluster is applied. They just like her.
 
My friends have a small herd as dairys go. Problems are quickly noticed and nipped in the bud. They have one 16 year old pet cow. She comes in and gets lined up in the parlor but no milking cluster is applied. They just like her.
That article was great, but there was one sentence that got at the heart of what I'm asking:
According to 2018 USDA data, the three most common reasons cows are reported to be culled from a herd are infertility, mastitis, and lameness.
I'll work on tracking that down, but the relative percentages of those reasons for culling are really important. I did notice that central ligament failure/swing bag wasn't on that list, which kind of answers the topic at hand (though perhaps that becomes more of an issue once cows last for more than 3 cycles). The article delved into overstocking of barns and inadequate cleanliness within the barns as the chief (and highly interrelated) issues, and it seems like the assumption (or accurate conclusion that they didn't bother explaining within the article) was that infertility, mastitis and lameness are all the result of overstocking and thus depend upon the same root cause. That also fits with your/your friends' experience of far better longevity when they can not only address problems faster, but also simply avoid them in the first place with adequate cleaning and space.

Perhaps the overstocking problem is just a corollary of the old "you can't starve a profit out of your animals" wisdom.
 
My friends at Bob's Dairy do not keep their cows in confinement like other dairys, they go out to graze in clean fields. Their day goes like this. The sleep in the barn with fresh clean air, because is is a giant pole barn. They have 'free stalls' to sleep in, sort of like a narrow parking place for each cow that has sawdust bedding. Because they can't really turn around they stand and back up and poop in the isle. The floor of the isle is textured cement so they don't slip and fall down. It gets cleaned and hosed out twice a day. Then they walk into the milking barn to be milked. First they get their feet washed of muck with sprayer hoses.

Then they go back to the barn to the feed bunks where total mixed ration is fed in long troughs. After eating they go outside into the fields to spend the day. In late afternoon they come back to be milked, then fed, then spend the night in the stalls.

Other dairies here I have been to are total confinement as are most big dairies. The cows spend their whole lives in the barn. They have giant fans to circulated the air and misters to keep cows cool. They are very well taken care of and their hides are clean and bright as newborn calves. These dairies have big trucks that bring green chop (chopped fresh grass or corn on the stalks) in from the fields for the cows so they can say they are grass fed. Because cows are always on cement they can get foot rot and go lame so they have special rubber floor areas and medicated foot baths they walk through.

Infertility is not just a dairy cow problem, it is also a beef cow problem. If a beef cow does not have a calf every year the rancher is losing money to keep her so they get sold. Bob's dairy if a cow does not take by artificial insemination after a couple of tries they put her out with an Angus bull for natural service.
 

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