BRAFORD CROSS BULL

[BRAFORDMAN]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkggRlukvMk

The first part of the video is at a bad angle. BUt I am 5 9 . The bull is probaly my height.
He had never had cotton seed hull on this video. The condition he is in is from grass and cubes to bring him up.<--- Not to often. He has had supplement like protein and salt and trace mineral, but was never "fed" to make him get fat and grow.
I have never had him weighed, but I know he is over 2000 lbs. His daughters mature into 900-1500 cows. not all of his daughters are huge. MOst of his daughters mature between 900-1200 lbs.

Yes he is horned but, most of my cows are polled and I do not get horned calves everytime he breeds my horned cattle. He throws alot of polled calves.

Brahman bull in the vid is going to be sold in the spring and the british white bull is already gone. I got a bigger one because I did not like his size of the bull. He is normal size for his breed but there are bigger ones out there, and I have one now.

Video was taken in November. And it was a little cold haha so the bull was not showing that good. :lol2:

I am not the best camera man.
Most of you all would never use this bull, but he works for me. I just have to cross him with the right cows. he works magic on black brangus, black brangus baldies and black baldies.

 

[cypressfarms]

O.k. Brafordman,

We're talking about the black with white marking horned bull, correct?

My opinion:

He looks like a Brahman bull. Take the color off of him, and he's a brahman. If he is anything else, it would appear to be a very small percentage. A true Braford would be 5/8 hereford and 3/8 brahman. I don't think he's either. I believe him to be over 75% brahman, and maybe some Angus or black baldy in the mix. Not often you see black brafords.

This confirms my feelings that this bull is likely to throw a really wide group of calves, even on a similar group of cows. He looks fullblooded brahman to me, except for his color. His color is not Braford. So I don't really know what you've got. If he is a braford, the hereford part didn't take any of his sheath or dewlap away. His sheath and Dewlap tell me he's majority Brahman.

I know you like this bull, and end the end t's your choice. He does have a nice rear end; but my honest opinion is that if you want to improve your herd and have a consistent group of calves, you have to let this bull go.

I know that's not what you want to hear, but that's my opinion.

 

[BRAFORDMAN]

O.k. Brafordman,

We're talking about the black with white marking horned bull, correct?

My opinion:

He looks like a Brahman bull. Take the color off of him, and he's a brahman. If he is anything else, it would appear to be a very small percentage. A true Braford would be 5/8 hereford and 3/8 brahman. I don't think he's either. I believe him to be over 75% brahman, and maybe some Angus or black baldy in the mix. Not often you see black brafords.

This confirms my feelings that this bull is likely to throw a really wide group of calves, even on a similar group of cows. He looks fullblooded brahman to me, except for his color. His color is not Braford. So I don't really know what you've got. If he is a braford, the hereford part didn't take any of his sheath or dewlap away. His sheath and Dewlap tell me he's majority Brahman.

I know you like this bull, and end the end t's your choice. He does have a nice rear end; but my honest opinion is that if you want to improve your herd and have a consistent group of calves, you have to let this bull go.

I know that's not what you want to hear, but that's my opinion.

HIs calves are 98% whiteface out of cows that do not have white faces.
Do you really think with me using him for 7 years and never had any wide variety of calves he is going to start giving me some now?
HIs calves have braford markings and are mostly white face.

Here are three of his daughter's
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMgXjkdbfzU

This is the only vid I have of his daughter's.
The red, peach, and tigerstripe are the best daughter's I have had from him. All his daughters are good.

read the description under the vid.

 

[Isomade]

I agree with Cypress. I also think he looks like a rodeo bull. You said his daughters mature between 900-1500 pounds. That is a huge range! You stated that you have held back heifers from him for 5 years. How many cows in your current herd were sired by this Braford bull?

 

[BRAFORDMAN]

I agree with Cypress. I also think he looks like a rodeo bull. You said his daughters mature between 900-1500 pounds. That is a huge range! You stated that you have held back heifers from him for 5 years. How many cows in your current herd were sired by this Braford bull?

I had to sell most of my cows due to hay shortage in November. 100 rolls of hay can not feed 50 cows from december-march.

Over the 5 years some of his daughter's that I kept or my dad kept to raise were sold because of economic reasons. I had 13 cows out of 20 that were his daughters in my last herd that I sold in November. Out of that 13 I have 2 cows left.

And it is a huge range, but the mothers had something to do with it as well. My dad had two herds, baldies and santa gert cross. Heifers from the baldies matured at bigger weights. Heifers from the gert crosses were smaller . The baldie cows were alot bigger than the gert crosses. Size came from the mothers as well.

 

[piedmontese]

i like the first cow in the vid the best.the others r ok too.

 

[BRAFORDMAN]

i like the first cow in the vid the best.the others r ok too.

Thanks. Yes the first cow was my favorite. She was struck by lightning one weeks after the second half of the video was shot, which was two weeks after she had her first calf.

 

[BRAFORDMAN]

Here are three of his daughter's
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMgXjkdbfzU

This is the only vid I have of his daughter's.
The red, peach, and tigerstripe are the best daughter's I have had from him. All his daughters are good.

read the description under the vid.

 

[BRAFORDMAN]

The bull was born red with a white face. He turned black with age.Which is common for brahman bulls.
As far as the hereford part, 98% of his calfs have been born with white face, wether the cows had white faces or they were solid colored.

 

[Ryder]

I drew a bull colored like that at a rodeo in Covington, Louisiana one night. Name was Alley Oop. I had no idea a bull could buck that hard. :shock: If he could he would hook you. He was mean. :help:
He had never been ridden. I didn't spoil his record. :(

Pardon the intrusion. Just got me to remembering.

 

[KNERSIE]

And it is a huge range, but the mothers had something to do with it as well. My dad had two herds, baldies and santa gert cross. Heifers from the baldies matured at bigger weights. Heifers from the gert crosses were smaller . The baldie cows were alot bigger than the gert crosses. Size came from the mothers as well.

The cows obviously play a role, but to try and illustrate Cypress- and others' point I'll try and take a a few pics at a neighbour over the next few days. Just remind me if I haven't done it by Monday.

 

[Keren]

I think the most exciting part of that video for me was the donkey!

 

[plumber_greg]

A lot of your posts sound like you're arguing with yourself. Are you wanting someone to tell you what they think or what you want them to say? Reading between the lines it sounds like you don't really like the bull either, just can't make yourself admit it. gs

 

[curtis]

Like the song says, it goes on & on, on & on, on & on.

 

[cypressfarms]

HIs calves are 98% whiteface out of cows that do not have white faces.
Do you really think with me using him for 7 years and never had any wide variety of calves he is going to start giving me some now?
HIs calves have braford markings and are mostly white face.

Here are three of his daughter's

First, I do think his daughters look o.k. Second, if you've been using him for 7 years and never had a wide variety of calves, then he won't start giving you them now. So this bull should now be close to 9 years old,right? Close to retirement age.

Here's the important part:

If everything you say about this bull is true, and I have no reason to believe you aren't telling the truth, then YOU ARE VERY LUCKY!

Brafordman, people (inclusing myself) spend hours upon hours researching to find the right bull. The chances of a bull like you have performing like you've stated are extremely small. This bull should have been castrated as a calf. He wasn't, and you obviously like him and his performance. That's great! Don't expect a repeat performance. The reason that our (I mean the whole world here) cattle are improving is due to breeders selecting desirable traits and improving on them. How can this bull improve cattle as a whole?

If you are happy with your bull, then that's all that matters. What anyone else thinks doesn't matter. Posting that bull on a cattle board will get you criticized every time. He does look like something you'd see in a rodeo; but it's o.k. if that's what you want. The problem is when you post on cattle boards how great he is, you will get "attacked".

 

[BRAFORDMAN]

Yes he is almost 9 and he may have a few years left in him. I have never had him semen tested because he never missed a cow. I am going to have him tested in the spring to see how his soldiers are marching that way if he isnt producing good semen he will get a ride to town.

DO I have any more crossbred bull? No. And the chance that he worked out for us was very small. I will never use another crossbred bull once he is gone. The odds are against me and I know it, so once he is gone that is it.

All my other bulls, british white, black angus, and Nelore come from breeders that have made a name for themselves.
That red angus plus bull is leaving In the spring.

As far as replacement heifers this bull worked for me. These cows show the brahman influence which is good for my area when they are bred to the right bull they calves do not show ear. Depending on the cow I may take a beating on his bull calves. BUt they make up for it in size

I am going to keep every heifer out of him this year that pass my requirements for replacements. I hope to get one like that red one in the video. It was hard to tell from the last part how she was actually built, but she was one of the great ones . Because he is getting old and they may be the last heifers I get from him. They will be bred to a black angus bull, which will basically give me brangus and brangus baldie type heifers and bulls to sale at the salebarn.
HE does not show his age one bit. He can still move quick.

The best thing I like about this bull is that his ability to maintain his body condition on grass passes on to his daughters. He ads the milking ability that I desire in a cow.
I love heavy milkers that can keep their weight up on grass. And the majority of his calves have the perfect dispositions.

When he is gone, that is it for using crossbred bulls.

 

[piedmontese]

y r u getting rid of the red angus?

 

[backhoeboogie]

Based on the situations you pose, the questions you ask, and the mix of bulls (i.e. Nelore, Angus, Bristish White, and this cross bred) I have to wonder what is your long term goals in this business.

What is it you are trying to achieve with this mix of terminal bulls along with the others and you hoping to pass on grass conversion attributes from a cross?

Does your father have a long term goal with his herd?

Why does the opinion of this forum weigh importance to your goal?

These animals of yours are yours to do whatever you choose. It seems we all wish you the best of luck.

Have you considered getting yourself an old cattleman as a mentor? You're going to keep get a mix of answers here because there are folks from all different climates and all different countries. If I were you, I'd find me a successful cattleman from your neighborhood and pay close attention to what he says.

 

[mrvictordomino]

Based on the situations you pose, the questions you ask, and the mix of bulls (i.e. Nelore, Angus, Bristish White, and this cross bred) I have to wonder what is your long term goals in this business.

What is it you are trying to achieve with this mix of terminal bulls along with the others and you hoping to pass on grass conversion attributes from a cross?

Does your father have a long term goal with his herd?

Why does the opinion of this forum weigh importance to your goal?

These animals of yours are yours to do whatever you choose. It seems we all wish you the best of luck.

Have you considered getting yourself an old cattleman as a mentor? You're going to keep get a mix of answers here because there are folks from all different climates and all different countries. If I were you, I'd find me a successful cattleman from your neighborhood and pay close attention to what he says.

If a man were seeking advice, that's about as good as it gets. :nod:

 

[DOC HARRIS]

BRAYFORDMAN-

If your purpose in posting these videos on the Forum was to reCeive cudoes and congratulations for the quality of the bull, I would imagine that you realize by now that they are not forthcoming. Also, if you have used him for eight years and the results are not exactly what you have been hoping for, don't expect the ensuing posts on this thread to be encouraging.

To ascertain the phenotypic characteristics of this bull more explicitly, I would have preferred seeing his display from a little greater distance than this video depicts. You are too close to him and moving around too much. The red daughter is a reasonably good appearing cow, but the others are nothing to write home about. Therefore, that should have been a wake up call over the years to you regarding the potentialities of his Genetic abilities.

To make the statements that you will never use a "crossbred" bull again tells me that you have not investigated the intricacies of cross breeding sufficiently enough to understand the advantages of those protocols. I suggest that you "google" the internet and peruse the facts regarding cross breeding agendas in the beef production business. Successful cross breeding entails more than "mixing" different strains of cattle such as bos taurus and bos indicus breeds.

As has been mentioned on this thread previously, and many other threads as well, PROFITABILITY is achieved by many avenues of endeavor, not just by breeding Bull A to Cows --(Alphabet) - - and hoping for the best. But that is another whole study program subject!

As many have said, if you are satisfied with your results, so be it. But I would hate to have you make a decision set in concrete and then be left wondering why it didn't work - AGAIN - without having your really focusing on reality.

DOC HARRIS