Bottle Calves?

Foursammy4

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Hi, I'm new to the cattle world and I was wondering does anyone knew and websites with good information on bottle calves? I'm thinking about getting one to show for 4H next year, but I need to research everything first and every site I've been to doesn't tell me much. Any help would be appreciated!
 
I don't know much about bottle calves myself (just steers :P ;-) ) but you could try using the search button on here.

Might help abit.
 
Milkmaid is our resident bucket calf expert on this board. Check out some of her posts. They will be very informative. And by the way when in doubt call your vet for help.
 
There are 4 things that I'll stress...(1) get a calf that you KNOW has been with it's mother long enough to get plenty of colostrum . (2) Find out if the mother cow has been vaccinated properly. (3) Don't get one in the dead heat of summer, 'cause if it scours, it's a tough road ahead of you. (4) Get a good milk replacer...at the very least 20% fat, 20% protein...avoid soy milk replacer like the plague.

Alice
 
Thank you so much!!! When would you suggest buying a calf? Some people I've talked to say they buy them in December or around that time.
 
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Foursammy4":st5mx7u8 said:
Hi, I'm new to the cattle world and I was wondering does anyone knew and websites with good information on bottle calves? I'm thinking about getting one to show for 4H next year, but I need to research everything first and every site I've been to doesn't tell me much. Any help would be appreciated!

Foursammy, give this one a gander. I didn't read all the way through it, but I read far enough to think it will be helpful to you.

http://extension.oregonstate.edu/catalo ... ec/ec1418/
 
Beefy":3fdsf5nh said:
www.milkmaid.com

:lol2: :lol2: :P

Foursammy4":3fdsf5nh said:
Thank you so much!!! When would you suggest buying a calf? Some people I've talked to say they buy them in December or around that time.

Sammy -- personally, I pick bottle calves up whenever I decide I want them or it fits my schedule. I don't deal with the extreme heat Alice does though, and being in Iowa I suspect you don't either. I try to avoid getting new calves in January/Feb/March as that's the peak of calving season around here, and the price on bottle calves goes through the roof. (From folks who want them for grafting to a cow who lost her own calf.)
 
that depends on the type of calf you want....milk or beef. the calving schedules are a bit different for a lot of reasons. fall or late fall might be the best time cost wise, but then you are looking at a long winter ahead of you so you need to have your facilities all set up for that. how many do you want to handle at one time?
 
I'm pretty sure that if I were to get one it would be a beef calf. Right now I don't have the proper facility to raise one (I still have to build it). I don't think I would be able to get one till November or so because I won't have money until we sell the cows we got this year. Would getting a calf that late be a good idea? And I'm thinkin' that I would only be able to handle around 2 or so. Are they companion animals (like, need a buddy around)? I heard goats were so I didnt' know if other animals were too.
 
Foursammy4":2lrjugcx said:
I don't think I would be able to get one till November or so because I won't have money until we sell the cows we got this year. Would getting a calf that late be a good idea? And I'm thinkin' that I would only be able to handle around 2 or so. Are they companion animals (like, need a buddy around)? I heard goats were so I didnt' know if other animals were too.

It's a matter of facilities and knowing how to address weather issues. I've bought days old calves in July as well as December - provide shelter that they lay in during the hot part of the day, and straw that they can lay in to insulate against the cold, and snow, and they generally do fine (my bottle babies have all been beef, not dairy - dairy is a whole other thing when it comes to bottle calves it seems). Stick them in an enclosed barn or stall and the chances are very good that you will have a sick calf, though. They need fresh air, sunshine, and room to be calves. Mine are given a run in shed to shelter from the heat, and straw (up to a month old) to protect from the cold. And yes, they are herd animals and they do better with a buddy.
 
Ok, well we have quite a bit of pasture and we can section off a safe area for he/she/them and the only really safe place we will probably have is a stall, but we will most likely just keep them there at night or other instances like that. Does that sound good? We don't have a walk in shed for them to use.
 
Foursammy4":ffb1pfd0 said:
Does that sound good?

I'm getting the feeling that you are heading out into unchartered waters here, without knowing what you're getting into to. Have you done any research on how to raise a calf? Do you know how, what, and how often to feed him/her? What about when the calf grows and his nutritional needs change, do you know how to handle that? Do you know how to identify scours, the different types and how to treat them?
 
a small shelter is required, that will block wind and freezing rain etc. How old will the calf be? If verry young a big Infrared heater bulb might be an idea especially at night. their heat regulator segment in the brain does not work really well for the first few weeks.
 
Honestly, I don't know much right now. That's why I'm asking, lol. I don't want to get a calf without knowing what needs to be done and how to take good care of it. I'm trying my best to research it all, and I'm asking my friends who have cows. You guys are really helpful, by the way! Thank you all so much!
 
Foursammy4":5we8jm7n said:
Honestly, I don't know much right now. That's why I'm asking, lol. I don't want to get a calf without knowing what needs to be done and how to take good care of it.

You might want to get the book: A guide to raising beef cattle, by Heather Smith Thomas. It's a good basics knowledge book.

dun
 
MrGale":3n9d6s8d said:
If verry young a big Infrared heater bulb might be an idea especially at night. their heat regulator segment in the brain does not work really well for the first few weeks.

That is a recipe for a case of pneumonia, IMHO, due to overheating and extreme temperature differences as the calf moves around trying to equalize his body temp. Calves come with most of the 'equipment' they need to survive - it just takes an owner who understands how they work and who knows how to insulate against the cold and keep the heat steady. A nice pile of loose straw under an open shed will do that very nicely - no heat lamps needed. In the event of a very chilled calf - or even frozen calf - put him in an outer room in your house, the temperature fluctuations are minimized and he still does better than with a heat lamp.
 
Hello. You mentioned getting the calf for 4H. I take that you eventually plan to show it and then either breed it (if a nice heifer) or auction it off as beef. You should plan on getting the calf so it will fit in with show schedual. Around my area I only have 2 county shows available to me per year, within 3 months of each other, I don't know how often you have them in your neck of the woods but you should probably look into that. What I mean anyway is, say you get your calf in December of 2006. Being a bottle calf you'll probably get it at a few days old, so it will be ready for slaughter/auction at an average of 15-18 months of age, in March 2008 at the earliest. So you should have a show/auction within a 3 month period of them reaching average age.
You also need to look into locating a local vet that deals with cattle, just in case of an emergency. You need to know that they need to have their hooves trimmed, and who you can contact to get that done. They may need to be de-horned. They may need to be castrated. Your vet should be able to handle those. Some states require they be vaccinated prior to reaching a certain age. Your vet should know this info as well.
Your 4H leader may be able to help you. If you need further info you should also try contacting any of the local FFA leaders. They will probably be very glad to get you some help.
You'll need a small baby-cow-head-sized rope halter. I used a rope lamb halter on mine. It fit perfect. Also the bottle, milk replacer, ect.
When I got my first bottle calf it was a do or die spur of the moment type thing. A dairymen from the edge of town donated her to our FFA chapter after her momma died during birth. He dropped this little day old heifer off at the highschool in at the start of the day. When I first saw her she had been there for a good 5 hours. All these kids clammerin to pet on her, no milk, 100 degree weather. She looked like a bag of antlers. The teacher was busy with work, so I voluntered to go get some milk replacer. We used a glass coke bottle and an old nipple we found in a shed to give her her first bottle. Poor little thing couldn't get it down fast enough. Later that day I paid 100 bucks to try to grow her up. She got sick, sometimes severely, off and on for the first month but I kept her alive somehow. She learned to walk on her halter within a few days. And I had her setting her feet within a month. Due to limited space she lived in a pen with my show steer. He was a big brute but as sweet as honey, they got along great and he loved havin the company(i wouldnt recomend tryin this, I only did it because we didn't have any other place for her). After a few month I had to decide what to raise her as. I planned on raising her for beef. I switched back and forth on beef or breeding, breeding or beef, it's the whole getting hooked and wanting to hold on to your 'pet', but you'll need to get over it. At 14 months she reached 1,100# just in time for the last show of the year. Sold her for half of what I put into her. I sure learned alot though.

I wish I had more of an opportunity to learn and plan out the process of raising a calf, before I purchased her. My experience was mostly by trial and error. I feel I could of produced a much better calf if I understood a lot more about the nutritional factors that bottle calves require. So you should probably look into that sort of stuff as well.

:oops: Here I am chatterin away about nonsense when all you wanted were some good links ;-) well here ya go:

http://animalscience.tamu.edu/ansc/...gingbeefcattleshow.pdf#search='show beef age'

http://pods.dasnr.okstate.edu/docus...95/N-135_web.pdf#search='bottle feeding beef'

(this first two should work if you copy and paste ;-) )

http://www.motherearthnews.com/top_articles/1978_March_April/Starting_Right_with_Bottle_Calves

http://www.calfnotes.com/

Good luck with everything. Make sure you update us, or me at least, on your plans. I'd love to hear about it!
 
Sammy I raise a lot of bottle calves. You have gotten some good advice along with some discouraging comments as well. I don't think it is as frightening a task as some have made it out to be. Any time you raise a calf on the bottle that you have bought at a sale barn there is a possibility of loosing it. You may have a little trouble finding a beef calf to raise on the bottle because almost nobody sells a beef calf unless they lost the cow it came from. You will need a good dry shed with good ventilation. Good 20-20 milk replacer with no soy product. Milk base only. Study up on it. Most universitys have plenty of info on raising bottle calves. Plan on spending twice as much time taking care of them as you think you will. You can get help with problems here on the board. As said before listen to Milkmaid. She is on top of it and has lots of good advice born from experience. Take a shot at it. It's a good learning experience. Good luck. Baron ;-)
 
kim":3lzcisdc said:
Hello. You mentioned getting the calf for 4H. I take that you eventually plan to show it and then either breed it (if a nice heifer) or auction it off as beef. You should plan on getting the calf so it will fit in with show schedual. Around my area I only have 2 county shows available to me per year, within 3 months of each other, I don't know how often you have them in your neck of the woods but you should probably look into that. What I mean anyway is, say you get your calf in December of 2006. Being a bottle calf you'll probably get it at a few days old, so it will be ready for slaughter/auction at an average of 15-18 months of age, in March 2008 at the earliest. So you should have a show/auction within a 3 month period of them reaching average age.
You also need to look into locating a local vet that deals with cattle, just in case of an emergency. You need to know that they need to have their hooves trimmed, and who you can contact to get that done. They may need to be de-horned. They may need to be castrated. Your vet should be able to handle those. Some states require they be vaccinated prior to reaching a certain age. Your vet should know this info as well.
Your 4H leader may be able to help you. If you need further info you should also try contacting any of the local FFA leaders. They will probably be very glad to get you some help.
You'll need a small baby-cow-head-sized rope halter. I used a rope lamb halter on mine. It fit perfect. Also the bottle, milk replacer, ect.
When I got my first bottle calf it was a do or die spur of the moment type thing. A dairymen from the edge of town donated her to our FFA chapter after her momma died during birth. He dropped this little day old heifer off at the highschool in at the start of the day. When I first saw her she had been there for a good 5 hours. All these kids clammerin to pet on her, no milk, 100 degree weather. She looked like a bag of antlers. The teacher was busy with work, so I voluntered to go get some milk replacer. We used a glass coke bottle and an old nipple we found in a shed to give her her first bottle. Poor little thing couldn't get it down fast enough. Later that day I paid 100 bucks to try to grow her up. She got sick, sometimes severely, off and on for the first month but I kept her alive somehow. She learned to walk on her halter within a few days. And I had her setting her feet within a month. Due to limited space she lived in a pen with my show steer. He was a big brute but as sweet as honey, they got along great and he loved havin the company(i wouldnt recomend tryin this, I only did it because we didn't have any other place for her). After a few month I had to decide what to raise her as. I planned on raising her for beef. I switched back and forth on beef or breeding, breeding or beef, it's the whole getting hooked and wanting to hold on to your 'pet', but you'll need to get over it. At 14 months she reached 1,100# just in time for the last show of the year. Sold her for half of what I put into her. I sure learned alot though.

I wish I had more of an opportunity to learn and plan out the process of raising a calf, before I purchased her. My experience was mostly by trial and error. I feel I could of produced a much better calf if I understood a lot more about the nutritional factors that bottle calves require. So you should probably look into that sort of stuff as well.

:oops: Here I am chatterin away about nonsense when all you wanted were some good links ;-) well here ya go:

http://animalscience.tamu.edu/ansc/...gingbeefcattleshow.pdf#search='show beef age'

http://pods.dasnr.okstate.edu/docus...95/N-135_web.pdf#search='bottle feeding beef'

(this first two should work if you copy and paste ;-) )

http://www.motherearthnews.com/top_articles/1978_March_April/Starting_Right_with_Bottle_Calves

http://www.calfnotes.com/

Good luck with everything. Make sure you update us, or me at least, on your plans. I'd love to hear about it!

Kim,

That was excellent...and your chattering away was not nonsense. You told Sammy who to talk to and what it was like to raise that first calf.

You sound as tho you faced some real obstacles and your hard work a perseverence surely paid off. Yeah, ok, you spent more on the calf than you got back...but as you said, you surely gained a wealth of experience in the process. What a fantastic attitude.

Sammy, you stay in touch with Kim...she'll talk you thru a lot and will be wonderful moral support. And remember, it's your first time. You will make mistakes, heck, we all still make mistakes. Don't beat yourself up when you do.

You are going about this the right way. You are trying to get all of your information and your ducks in a row before you start out. You're a good kid, m'dear.

By the way, bottle calf pens aren't that hard to make. You can buy a calf hutch that looks like a little house (and it comes with more than a little price tag) or you can make one with tin and hog panels. As long as the shelter part has a roof and three enclosed sides, and the pen part has enough room that the calf can jump and buck and run a little it will be fine. And whatever you do, don't raise that calf on a cement floor.

And, like Kim, I want to know how it's going from time to time, also. Keep in touch, will ya'?

Alice
 

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