Border Screwup Already

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Canada violates US mad cow rules, ships adult cow By Randy Fabi




WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Canadian animal health inspectors accidentally approved the export of a 31-month-old cow to the United States, violating strict U.S. safeguards to prevent mad cow disease, a U.S. Agriculture Department official said on Monday.


The mistake prompted a Wisconsin meat plant late Friday to recall voluntarily 1,856 pounds of beef that may contain the backbone of the imported cow.

The USDA said some of the meat may have already been consumed.

"It is very, very unlikely that this product would cause illness," said Steven Cohen, spokesman for USDA's Food Safety and Inspection Service. "We are still investigating how much may still be available and if any retailers received it."

The United States prohibits the skull, spinal cord and vertebral column from domestic and imported cattle older than 30 months of age in the food supply. These materials are considered the most risky for spreading bovine spongiform encephalopathy ( BSE).

The USDA last month reopened U.S. borders to imports of young Canadian cattle, ending a two-year ban imposed after Canada's first domestic case of mad cow disease.

Cohen said the adult cow did not show any signs of sickness when imported into the United States.

Green Bay Dressed Beef in Wisconsin processed the meat on August 4 and distributed it to wholesale distributors in Pennsylvania, Florida, Illinois, Maryland, Minnesota and Wisconsin.

The products were sold under the American Foods Group and Dakota Supreme Beef brands and had an establishment number 410 on each box.

The USDA said the health certificate accompanying the cow was presented to the Wisconsin plant and it appeared complete and accurate.

However, a subsequent audit by Canadian officials found the information to be inaccurate. "Action has been taken by Canadian Food Inspection Agency officials in response to findings from the audit," the USDA said.
 
Oh I bet that action from up north will be severe. Probably be something like.......hmmmmmm...... Bad boy, no Molson for you tonight
 
steve, that's what I was wondering. I have a couple 3 year olds that look poorer that some of my 15 year old cows.
 
houstoncutter":f45wj8f5 said:
Oh I bet that action from up north will be severe. Probably be something like.......hmmmmmm...... Bad boy, no Molson for you tonight

C.B.C news....As of this morning, the vet involved was suspended, pending investigation..Never heard if it was a Canadian or an American Vet
 
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Cattle Rack Rancher":1apesuc6 said:
The thing that impresses me is that they know exactly how old that animal is. How many other countries in the world have a system that good?
I would like to know how soon the USA will have a system that good.
 
farmer rich":arwt3j05 said:
Cattle Rack Rancher":arwt3j05 said:
The thing that impresses me is that they know exactly how old that animal is. How many other countries in the world have a system that good?

At least one to my knowledge cattle rack.


We don,t have passport I.d here yet like you fellas.
 
frenchie":kwnahklm said:
houstoncutter":kwnahklm said:
Oh I bet that action from up north will be severe. Probably be something like.......hmmmmmm...... Bad boy, no Molson for you tonight

C.B.C news....As of this morning, the vet involved was suspended, pending investigation..Never heard if it was a Canadian or an American Vet

Supposed to be checked and verified by both!!!! Maybe this is the reason the Montana Governor has called the USDA employees "stooges" and has ordered that all cattle coming into the state be double checked by State Vets and Inspectors ;-) .........
 
Maybe this is the reason that NCBA, R-CALF, FB, and FU all called for USDA to require spayed heifers only..But USDA knew better ;-) :lol: :lol: Before its over USDA will have allowed Canada to spread BSE thru the country....... :( :mad:

BEEF NEWS
Canadian shipment included eight pregnant cows

by Pete Hisey on 8/24/2005 for Meatingplace.com


According to Canadian press reports, the shipment of cattle that included one animal over 30 months of age also included eight pregnant animals. The Calgary Herald reported on Tuesday that Francine Lord, national manager of imports and exports, Canadian Food Inspection Agency, revealed that the cattle came from a southern Ontario farm, and noted that while the export of pregnant cows is not allowed under USDA's Minimal Risk Rule, there is no danger to the human food supply.

A spokeswoman for Ranchers-Cattlemen Action Legal Fund, United Stockgrowers of America, however, wondered aloud where the fetal blood from the unborn calves went. That substance is banned from import.

Jim Rogers, a spokesman for USDA's Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service, told Meatingplace.com that the slaughter plant discovered the pregnant cattle, destroyed the fetuses, and alerted USDA, which then warned Canada that breeding cattle are specifically barred from entering the country. Canadian authorities conducted an audit of the shipment, and discovered the overage animal in the process.
 
Oldtimer":2g84518e said:
frenchie":2g84518e said:
houstoncutter":2g84518e said:
Oh I bet that action from up north will be severe. Probably be something like.......hmmmmmm...... Bad boy, no Molson for you tonight

C.B.C news....As of this morning, the vet involved was suspended, pending investigation..Never heard if it was a Canadian or an American Vet

Supposed to be checked and verified by both!!!! Maybe this is the reason the Montana Governor has called the USDA employees "stooges" and has ordered that all cattle coming into the state be double checked by State Vets and Inspectors ;-) .........

So where were the States vets Ot....having a cold one ;-)
 
Oldtimer":5j8ywk41 said:
Maybe this is the reason that NCBA, R-CALF, FB, and FU all called for USDA to require spayed heifers only..But USDA knew better ;-) :lol: :lol: Before its over USDA will have allowed Canada to spread BSE thru the country....... :( :mad:

.How can we spread it you already have it OT. :lol: ;-)
 
frenchie":1dx6ka1z said:
Oldtimer":1dx6ka1z said:
frenchie":1dx6ka1z said:
houstoncutter":1dx6ka1z said:
Oh I bet that action from up north will be severe. Probably be something like.......hmmmmmm...... Bad boy, no Molson for you tonight

C.B.C news....As of this morning, the vet involved was suspended, pending investigation..Never heard if it was a Canadian or an American Vet

Supposed to be checked and verified by both!!!! Maybe this is the reason the Montana Governor has called the USDA employees "stooges" and has ordered that all cattle coming into the state be double checked by State Vets and Inspectors ;-) .........

So where were the States vets Ot....having a cold one ;-)

They didn't come into Montana- or I'm sure the Gov would have been standing on the corral fence making sure they were checked. :) Some states still mistakenly believe the USDA has the ability or desire to perform their job.......
 
frenchie":24rbdccw said:
Oldtimer":24rbdccw said:
Maybe this is the reason that NCBA, R-CALF, FB, and FU all called for USDA to require spayed heifers only..But USDA knew better ;-) :lol: :lol: Before its over USDA will have allowed Canada to spread BSE thru the country....... :( :mad:

.How can we spread it you already have it OT. :lol: ;-)

Since FDA and USDA refuse to close the BSE firewalls (bans on feeding table scraps, chicken litter, blood products, etc.)-If we keep bringing in old and bred cows and beef from a higher risk country, we will definitely increase the chance of spread...We should not be importing cattle or beef from any BSE country until we close these firewalls and are assured USDA has their act together...

The Japanese Safety Commission is now comparing the US to the UK for vulnerability for the spread of BSE- and the Japanese papers are having a hayday questioning how the vets of two countries could not only misage one cow, but miss 8 bred ones in a load of 35...They wonder how many of the other 40,000 cows shipped since the border opened were also over age :?:
 
Oldtimer":3mu983v1 said:
frenchie":3mu983v1 said:
Oldtimer":3mu983v1 said:
Maybe this is the reason that NCBA, R-CALF, FB, and FU all called for USDA to require spayed heifers only..But USDA knew better ;-) :lol: :lol: Before its over USDA will have allowed Canada to spread BSE thru the country....... :( :mad:

.How can we spread it you already have it OT. :lol: ;-)

Oldtimer":3mu983v1 said:
[Since FDA and USDA refuse to close the BSE firewalls (bans on feeding table scraps, chicken litter, blood products, etc.)-If we keep bringing in old and bred cows and beef from a higher risk country, we will definitely increase the chance of spread...We should not be importing cattle or beef from any BSE country until we close these firewalls and are assured USDA has their act together...

Fearmongering now Ot...if you want to look at high risk...look in the mirror. or better yet look at your testing program.

Oldtimer":3mu983v1 said:
[The Japanese Safety Commission is now comparing the US to the UK for vulnerability for the spread of BSE- and the Japanese papers are having a hayday questioning how the vets of two countries could not only misage one cow, but miss 8 bred ones in a load of 35...They wonder how many of the other 40,000 cows shipped since the border opened were also over age :?:

More fearmongering...Have you got an article to back this statement up OT
 
Oldtimer":2m6x3a9u said:
frenchie":2m6x3a9u said:
Oldtimer":2m6x3a9u said:
frenchie":2m6x3a9u said:
houstoncutter":2m6x3a9u said:
Oh I bet that action from up north will be severe. Probably be something like.......hmmmmmm...... Bad boy, no Molson for you tonight

C.B.C news....As of this morning, the vet involved was suspended, pending investigation..Never heard if it was a Canadian or an American Vet

Supposed to be checked and verified by both!!!! Maybe this is the reason the Montana Governor has called the USDA employees "stooges" and has ordered that all cattle coming into the state be double checked by State Vets and Inspectors ;-) .........

So where were the States vets Ot....having a cold one ;-)

They didn't come into Montana- or I'm sure the Gov would have been standing on the corral fence making sure they were checked. :) Some states still mistakenly believe the USDA has the ability or desire to perform their job.......

Hell Ot you were not able to find them bulls that came from the same herd as the 1st case of B.s.e in Canada and entered Montana.
;-)
 
frenchie":3fwmiwzl said:
Oldtimer":3fwmiwzl said:
frenchie":3fwmiwzl said:
Oldtimer":3fwmiwzl said:
frenchie":3fwmiwzl said:
houstoncutter":3fwmiwzl said:
Oh I bet that action from up north will be severe. Probably be something like.......hmmmmmm...... Bad boy, no Molson for you tonight

C.B.C news....As of this morning, the vet involved was suspended, pending investigation..Never heard if it was a Canadian or an American Vet

Supposed to be checked and verified by both!!!! Maybe this is the reason the Montana Governor has called the USDA employees "stooges" and has ordered that all cattle coming into the state be double checked by State Vets and Inspectors ;-) .........

So where were the States vets Ot....having a cold one ;-)

They didn't come into Montana- or I'm sure the Gov would have been standing on the corral fence making sure they were checked. :) Some states still mistakenly believe the USDA has the ability or desire to perform their job.......

Hell Ot you were not able to find them bulls that came from the same herd as the 1st case of B.s.e in Canada and entered Montana.
;-)

Wrong again- frenchie- They were tracked by brands- all have been slaughtered......
 
frenchie":yhoimi92 said:
Oldtimer":yhoimi92 said:
frenchie":yhoimi92 said:
Oldtimer":yhoimi92 said:
Maybe this is the reason that NCBA, R-CALF, FB, and FU all called for USDA to require spayed heifers only..But USDA knew better ;-) :lol: :lol: Before its over USDA will have allowed Canada to spread BSE thru the country....... :( :mad:

.How can we spread it you already have it OT. :lol: ;-)

Oldtimer":yhoimi92 said:
[Since FDA and USDA refuse to close the BSE firewalls (bans on feeding table scraps, chicken litter, blood products, etc.)-If we keep bringing in old and bred cows and beef from a higher risk country, we will definitely increase the chance of spread...We should not be importing cattle or beef from any BSE country until we close these firewalls and are assured USDA has their act together...

Fearmongering now Ot...if you want to look at high risk...look in the mirror. or better yet look at your testing program.

Oldtimer":yhoimi92 said:
[The Japanese Safety Commission is now comparing the US to the UK for vulnerability for the spread of BSE- and the Japanese papers are having a hayday questioning how the vets of two countries could not only misage one cow, but miss 8 bred ones in a load of 35...They wonder how many of the other 40,000 cows shipped since the border opened were also over age :?:

More fearmongering...Have you got an article to back this statement up OT

Heres one for you Frenchie- Asian papers had several others...



Japan panel worried U.S. feed rules may spread BSE
By Aya Takada | August 24, 2005

TOKYO (Reuters) - Members of an independent panel considering whether to allow U.S. beef to return to Japanese tables said on Wednesday they were worried that lax U.S. animal feed controls could allow mad cow disease to spread.

The panel members, meeting for the fifth time since May when the Japanese government asked them to rule on the safety of U.S. beef, said their final decision may take into account the chance that the brain-wasting disease could spread.

Without approval from the 12-member group, a sub-committee of Japan's Food Safety Commission, the government cannot implement an agreement with the United States to resume imports.

"We cannot completely rule out the possibility that the situation in the United States may become similar to what happened in Britain," panel member Tetsuyuki Kitamoto said at the meeting, which was open to the public.

Mad cow disease -- formally bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE) -- crippled Britain's farm sector in the late 1990s.

Kitamoto said U.S. cattle may be at risk because meat-and-bone meal (MBM) produced from cattle was still being used in the United States.

MBM produced from cattle, banned in Japan as a feed for all animals, is thought to cause mad cow disease.

The U.S Food and Drug Administration banned MBM made from cattle as cattle feed in 1997 but did not ban its use as a feed for other animals such as pigs and poultry.

U.S. consumer groups have urged the FDA to fully ban MBM made from cattle, saying that cattle feed could become contaminated.

Variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease, the human version of BSE, is thought to be spread by eating contaminated meat. It has caused more than 140 deaths worldwide, including one in Japan.

NO DATE SET

Kazuya Yamanouchi, another panel member, proposed that the panel make a risk assessment on U.S. beef that included the possibility that BSE could spread.

Yasuhiro Yoshikawa, the panel chairman, said he personally did not expect BSE to spread, but added that he would consider the proposal by next meeting.

The FSC said the date of the next meeting had not yet been set and that it was uncertain when the panel would complete its risk assessment on U.S. beef.

Japan, along with other beef-importing countries, imposed a ban on U.S. beef in December 2003 following the discovery of the first case of mad cow disease in a Washington state dairy cow.

The second U.S. BSE case was confirmed in June in a beef cow born 12 years ago and raised in Texas.

Before the ban, Japan was the top importer of American beef, with imports valued at $1.4 billion in 2003.

Last October, Japan agreed with the United States to resume imports of beef from American cattle aged 20 months or younger, which are considered to be at low risk from BSE.

But Tokyo has insisted that shipments cannot resume until the commission declares that U.S. beef is as safe as domestic meat.

U.S. lawmakers have expressed growing frustration with Japan's slowness in reopening its market, and some have proposed that Washington consider trade sanctions.

U.S. Agriculture Secretary Mike Johanns reiterated that Japan should soon restart U.S. beef imports when he met Japanese Agriculture Minister Mineichi Iwanaga last week in Australia, where five farm ministers from major agricultural exporters and importers gathered to discuss trade issues.
 
Oldtimer":2xseu1p1 said:
frenchie":2xseu1p1 said:
Oldtimer":2xseu1p1 said:
frenchie":2xseu1p1 said:
Oldtimer":2xseu1p1 said:
Maybe this is the reason that NCBA, R-CALF, FB, and FU all called for USDA to require spayed heifers only..But USDA knew better ;-) :lol: :lol: Before its over USDA will have allowed Canada to spread BSE thru the country....... :( :mad:

.How can we spread it you already have it OT. :lol: ;-)

Oldtimer":2xseu1p1 said:
[Since FDA and USDA refuse to close the BSE firewalls (bans on feeding table scraps, chicken litter, blood products, etc.)-If we keep bringing in old and bred cows and beef from a higher risk country, we will definitely increase the chance of spread...We should not be importing cattle or beef from any BSE country until we close these firewalls and are assured USDA has their act together...

Fearmongering now Ot...if you want to look at high risk...look in the mirror. or better yet look at your testing program.

Oldtimer":2xseu1p1 said:
[The Japanese Safety Commission is now comparing the US to the UK for vulnerability for the spread of BSE- and the Japanese papers are having a hayday questioning how the vets of two countries could not only misage one cow, but miss 8 bred ones in a load of 35...They wonder how many of the other 40,000 cows shipped since the border opened were also over age :?:

More fearmongering...Have you got an article to back this statement up OT

Heres one for you Frenchie- Asian papers had several others...



Japan panel worried U.S. feed rules may spread BSE
By Aya Takada | August 24, 2005

TOKYO (Reuters) - Members of an independent panel considering whether to allow U.S. beef to return to Japanese tables said on Wednesday they were worried that lax U.S. animal feed controls could allow mad cow disease to spread.

The panel members, meeting for the fifth time since May when the Japanese government asked them to rule on the safety of U.S. beef, said their final decision may take into account the chance that the brain-wasting disease could spread.

Without approval from the 12-member group, a sub-committee of Japan's Food Safety Commission, the government cannot implement an agreement with the United States to resume imports.

"We cannot completely rule out the possibility that the situation in the United States may become similar to what happened in Britain," panel member Tetsuyuki Kitamoto said at the meeting, which was open to the public.

Mad cow disease -- formally bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE) -- crippled Britain's farm sector in the late 1990s.

Kitamoto said U.S. cattle may be at risk because meat-and-bone meal (MBM) produced from cattle was still being used in the United States.

MBM produced from cattle, banned in Japan as a feed for all animals, is thought to cause mad cow disease.

The U.S Food and Drug Administration banned MBM made from cattle as cattle feed in 1997 but did not ban its use as a feed for other animals such as pigs and poultry.

U.S. consumer groups have urged the FDA to fully ban MBM made from cattle, saying that cattle feed could become contaminated.

Variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease, the human version of BSE, is thought to be spread by eating contaminated meat. It has caused more than 140 deaths worldwide, including one in Japan.

NO DATE SET

Kazuya Yamanouchi, another panel member, proposed that the panel make a risk assessment on U.S. beef that included the possibility that BSE could spread.

Yasuhiro Yoshikawa, the panel chairman, said he personally did not expect BSE to spread, but added that he would consider the proposal by next meeting.

The FSC said the date of the next meeting had not yet been set and that it was uncertain when the panel would complete its risk assessment on U.S. beef.

Japan, along with other beef-importing countries, imposed a ban on U.S. beef in December 2003 following the discovery of the first case of mad cow disease in a Washington state dairy cow.

The second U.S. BSE case was confirmed in June in a beef cow born 12 years ago and raised in Texas.

Before the ban, Japan was the top importer of American beef, with imports valued at $1.4 billion in 2003.

Last October, Japan agreed with the United States to resume imports of beef from American cattle aged 20 months or younger, which are considered to be at low risk from BSE.

But Tokyo has insisted that shipments cannot resume until the commission declares that U.S. beef is as safe as domestic meat.

U.S. lawmakers have expressed growing frustration with Japan's slowness in reopening its market, and some have proposed that Washington consider trade sanctions.

U.S. Agriculture Secretary Mike Johanns reiterated that Japan should soon restart U.S. beef imports when he met Japanese Agriculture Minister Mineichi Iwanaga last week in Australia, where five farm ministers from major agricultural exporters and importers gathered to discuss trade issues.

Gotcha OT...absolutely nowhere in these two articles are they saying as you said..

the Japanese papers are having a hayday questioning how the vets of two countries could not only misage one cow, but miss 8 bred ones in a load of 35...They wonder how many of the other 40,000 cows shipped since the border opened were also over age

This statement is directly from you ..not the Japanese..



This is what they do say....Kitamoto said U.S. cattle may be at risk because meat-and-bone meal (MBM) produced from cattle was still being used in the United States.

MBM produced from cattle, banned in Japan as a feed for all animals, is thought to cause mad cow disease
 

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