black simmental pics- for real this time, lol
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farmerD44
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The bulls name is Oscar. We paid $1000 for him and he has been worth every penny. used him 3 seasons now. he is 6 years old and this was his final season. :(
He is a purebred simmental and the son is crossbred but mostly simmental as well.
Dan.
He is a purebred simmental and the son is crossbred but mostly simmental as well.
Dan.
J
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I grew up around simmentals and simbrahs and have always really liked them.
The "new color" is a little strange but it's kind of starting to grow on me. :D
Real nice pictures.
The "new color" is a little strange but it's kind of starting to grow on me. :D
Real nice pictures.
rgv
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Just curious - if you had any red or hereford cows Waht color did the calves come out as.
I tried to find a chart that shows how you determine the percentages of colors you get when breeding one color to another. The color goes back to the grandparents and so on. If you have a black cow, with both black parents, then they are considered BB. Black is dominant. Red cow is rr. Red is recessive. But, if you have a Red cow that had a black parent, that had a red gene....heck I could write on this one for pages. Here is the only chart I could find that started to explain. There are a lot of sites that explain what is a dominant color and what is recessive. They also show you what coat patterns will be reproduced by what percentages.
Below are two sites that show you how to figure out the coat variations that could occur.
http://cast.csufresno.edu/agedweb/core/clf254.txt
http://www.agedtechprep.com/content/hs/advcluster/3253.txt
Below are two sites that show you how to figure out the coat variations that could occur.
http://cast.csufresno.edu/agedweb/core/clf254.txt
http://www.agedtechprep.com/content/hs/advcluster/3253.txt
C HOLLAND
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I only have one thing to say, Can you ship em my way for a short vacation ( maybe 5-6 years) lol Can you tell I LIKE EM
I am going on the 15th to look for a simm bull as a backup to my AI service to my Angus cows.
I am going on the 15th to look for a simm bull as a backup to my AI service to my Angus cows.
rgv
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My question in regard to the color of the calves was from the pic of the bull shown.
I had heard that alot of the black simmental bulls would throw of red or yellow due to not being a true black color.
I had heard that alot of the black simmental bulls would throw of red or yellow due to not being a true black color.
ALACOWMAN
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I used a homozygos black simm bull a couple of years on red & tan cows. calves were 100% black.
farmerD44
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well we have used him 3 years now.
his first year most of the calves were black, a few were red, and 2 were gray.
this year id say 70% were red and only 1 gray one. this is with simmental cross cows- some crossed with hereford some with angus. We have only had one red calf out of an angus cow- but it is only 50% angus.
Regardless of color he has great calves and they weigh good!!!
We will see what color they are next year.
We will be using an angus bull next year because we arent having the best of luck getting our purebreds AI'ed and it will also make a great cross with our mostly Simmy cows.
Dan.
his first year most of the calves were black, a few were red, and 2 were gray.
this year id say 70% were red and only 1 gray one. this is with simmental cross cows- some crossed with hereford some with angus. We have only had one red calf out of an angus cow- but it is only 50% angus.
Regardless of color he has great calves and they weigh good!!!
We will see what color they are next year.
We will be using an angus bull next year because we arent having the best of luck getting our purebreds AI'ed and it will also make a great cross with our mostly Simmy cows.
Dan.
fitz
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This is the Bull we're using on red & white simmentals now.
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fitz
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Oh well, I tried.
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fitz
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There he is.
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fitz
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Thanks D44. He was 2 1/2 years old last month. Have 1st four calves from him and they were black w/some amount of white face. That stock of yours looks great. I like that Bull's top line.
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Farmer - your bull calf is far better than his sire. More bone, more muscle. Must have a good dam.
If you got even just 1 red calf, that tells you your bull is heterozygous black (one black gene & one red gene). A homozygous black bull of ANY breed, will ONLY throw BLACK calves. Now, they may be grey, brown, mousy, silver, etc. But they are black - diluted. And the dilution factor comes from the COW. A BLACK animal can NOT carry the diluter gene. The diluter gene is dominant over the black gene. If they are carrying the diluter gene - THEY WILL BE DILUTED if they are black factor cattle. Red cattle can carry 1 or 2 diluter genes and you may never know until you breed them to a black mate.
If you got even just 1 red calf, that tells you your bull is heterozygous black (one black gene & one red gene). A homozygous black bull of ANY breed, will ONLY throw BLACK calves. Now, they may be grey, brown, mousy, silver, etc. But they are black - diluted. And the dilution factor comes from the COW. A BLACK animal can NOT carry the diluter gene. The diluter gene is dominant over the black gene. If they are carrying the diluter gene - THEY WILL BE DILUTED if they are black factor cattle. Red cattle can carry 1 or 2 diluter genes and you may never know until you breed them to a black mate.
Picture (from any distance) shows the sire having fine bone, and also looks like he lacks muscle in rear rump & hind leg. Pictures can be deceiving on muscling, but bone is very evident (or lack of). Not saying that is bad, some people like fine bone cattle. I don't.
